O/T Life or Death, One Game, My Starting 9

[AndrewJerome]

1. Rickey Henderson LF
2. Honus Wagner SS
3. Mickey Mantle CF
4. Babe Ruth RF
5. Edgar Martinez DH
6. Lou Gehrig 1B
7. Yogi Berra C
8. George Brett 3B
9. Martin Dihigo 2B

Randy Johnson SP
Satchel Paige middle relief
Mariano Rivera CL


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[ElCabron]

In one game, all that really matters is the guy on the mound. Pick any one of the following as my starter and I like my odds: Bob Gibson, Sandy Koufax, Christy Mathewson, John Smoltz, Madison Bumgarner.

Mariano Rivera as my closer, though I doubt he'd get in the game. And PLEASE, let me play one of these teams that has Ty Cobb, a .262 career postseason hitter who never won a championship.

-Ryan

[pgellis]

I can't believe what I'm reading:

Lance Berkman
Derek Jeter
Carlos Beltran
Madison Bumgarner

Come on guys!

[ElCabron]

Originally Posted by pgellis

I can't believe what I'm reading:

Lance Berkman
Derek Jeter
Carlos Beltran
Madison Bumgarner

Come on guys!

Have you watched baseball at all in the past 80 years? All 4 of those guys are amazing in the postseason. Bumgarner just had the best postseason of any pitcher in the history of baseball. And I hate the guy. But things are the way the are.

-Ryan

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by ElCabron

Have you watched baseball at all in the past 80 years? All 4 of those guys are amazing in the postseason. Bumgarner just had the best postseason of any pitcher in the history of baseball. And I hate the guy. But things are the way the are.

-Ryan

I haven't seen Phil's list, but I'm certainly curious. I forgot about Bumgarner or I would probably have listed him instead of Schilling. Tough call there.

This has got me thinking about star played who I wouldn't want anywhere near a 'one game-winner takes all' scenario.

[conor912]

I'm not sure why, but at some point as I was reading this thread it occurred to me that it was possible to make up a team of just Yankees. I know it will have naysayers, but I think on any given day this team could beat any team made up of any players in MLB history....and I'm from Boston, so that's saying a lot.

1. Boggs 3b
2. Lazzeri 2b
3. Mantle lf
4. Ruth rf
5. DiMaggio cf
6. Gehrig 1b
7. Jeter ss
8. Berra c
9. Ford p

Rivera rp

[pgellis]

Originally Posted by ElCabron

Have you watched baseball at all in the past 80 years? All 4 of those guys are amazing in the postseason. Bumgarner just had the best postseason of any pitcher in the history of baseball. And I hate the guy. But things are the way the are.

-Ryan

Yes Ryan, I have watched baseball in the past 80 years.

Beltran's post-season numbers are skewed from his insane 2004 post-season. That was an amazing post-season. He has only appeared in 1 World Series...vs. Boston in 2013. His World Series numbers for his career are:

6 Games - .294 Ave. - 0 HRs - 3 RBIs - 1 Run

Also in 2013, he batted .222 in the NLDS and .286 in the NLCS. Sorry, but no.

I know how everyone was crowing about Bumgarner last year, but it was not the best post-season ever by a pitcher.

He won 4 games last year in the post-season, but Randy Johnson won 5 in 2001 and Christy Mathewson threw 3 complete game shutouts in a World Series back in early 1900s....that was before Wild Card and Divisional Series. Tough to top that.

[obcbobd]

cf Mays
2b Lajoie
rf Ruth
lf Bonds
dh Williams
3b Schmidt
ss Wagner
1b Gehrig
c Gibson

sp Koufax
rp Johnson and Pedro
ph/pr Cobb
mgr Stengal

I agree Rivera is the best closer of all-time, but there were 20-30 starting pitchers who could have been just as good or better

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by ElCabron

Have you watched baseball at all in the past 80 years? All 4 of those guys are amazing in the postseason. Bumgarner just had the best postseason of any pitcher in the history of baseball. And I hate the guy. But things are the way the are.



-Ryan

One great postseason makes a player elite and worth starting over all of the all time greats? Laughable. Bumgarner is a really good pitcher, but let's not get carried away.


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[pgellis]

LF: Rickey Henderson
CF: Ty Cobb
3B: George Brett
DH: David Ortiz
1B: Lou Gehrig
RF: Reggie Jackson
C: Johnny Bench
2B: Joe Morgan
SS: Ozzie Smith

SP: Bob Gibson
RP: Mariano Rivera


Tough to leave Ruth off the list, but Reggie & Ortiz were so clutch. I think the toughest positions are C, 2B, & SS.

[glynparson]

1b- Lou Gehrig
2b- Joe Morgan
3b- Mike Schmidt
ss- Honus Wagner
rf- Babe Ruth
CF- Willie MAys
Lf- Barry Bonds
c- Roy Campanella
SP- Sandy Koufax
RP- Mariano Rivera
DH- Ted Williams

Lineup
1.Honus Wagner
2.Ted Williams
3.Babe Ruth
4.Barry Bonds
5.Lou Gehrig
6.Willie Mays
7.Mike Schmidt
8.Roy Campanella
9.Joe Morgan

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

One great postseason makes a player elite and worth starting over all of the all time greats? Laughable. Bumgarner is a really good pitcher, but let's not get carried away.


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[rats60]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

One great postseason makes a player elite and worth starting over all of the all time greats? Laughable. Bumgarner is a really good pitcher, but let's not get carried away.


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You take Bum if we are talking current players, but all time he's not in the discussion. Koufax, two shutouts on 2 days rest. Gibson 7 world series wins in a row or Mathewson 3 shutouts in 5 games are easy picks over him in my opinion.

[z28jd]

I think it's interesting how people are picking old pitchers and also throwing a reliever in there as if you're going to take out Walter Johnson, Sandy Koufax or Christy Mathewson for anyone else with your life on the line.

The other interesting part, why pick a reliever, what if the game goes extra innings, or what if your starter doesn't have it at all? I picked Johnson and Mathewson. I would never take a reliever, not even Roy Face, who went 3+ innings numerous times. That seems like an awful risky thing to do in this situation.

As for the all Yankees lineup, how about an all Pirates lineup. You have the two best shortstop of all-time, so that hurts a little, but you could still put out:

CF Carey
SS Wagner
RF Clemente
1B Stargell
DH Kiner
LF P.Waner
3B Traynor
2B Mazeroski
C Sanguillen(or Al Lopez if you want all HOF)
Bench: Vaughan, Cuyler, L.Waner, Beckley
P Pud Galvin

[Runscott]

If this is a thread based entirely on post-season stats, then someone should just do some googling and give us 'THE ANSWER'.

If not, then I'm very happy with my roster and while some of the incredible all-star rosters I'm seeing don't impress me (I'm certain my team could whoop your team), I'll just raise my eyebrows a little and move on.

[Big Ben]

Batting order for my lineup

Jeter
Mays
Ted Williams
Mantle
Ruth (DH)
Brett
Gehrig
Berra
Jackie Robinson

SP Koufax
Relief pitcher Bob Gibson
Closer Mariano Rivera.

[ElCabron]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

One great postseason makes a player elite and worth starting over all of the all time greats? Laughable. Bumgarner is a really good pitcher, but let's not get carried away.

Um, one postseason? Madison Bumgarner has 3 rings. That's as many as Koufax. That's as many as Bob Gibson and Walter Johnson combined. Oh, and he's 25 years old. What's laughable is the willful ignorance displayed by so many that automatically think older is better. The theoretical question posed here was about who would be best in one game, LIFE OR DEATH, meaning the highest possible pressure situation. The closest comparison as far as baseball stats would be when the pressure is highest, namely, the postseason. More specifically, the World Series.

So, tell me this, without cheating and looking below, which postseason stats are better:

A) 4-0, 0.25 ERA, 0.528 WHIP, 31 K, 36 IP, 1 shutout.
B) 7-3, 2.14 ERA, 0.883 WHIP, 77 K, 88.1 IP, 2 shutouts.
C) 3-3, 2.52 ERA, 1.420 WHIP, 35 K, 50 IP, 1 shutout.
D) 4-3, 0.95 ERA, 0.825 WHIP, 61 K, 57 IP, 2 shutouts.
E) 7-2, 1.89 ERA, 0.889 WHIP, 92 K, 81 IP, 2 shutouts.
F) 3-0, 0.87 ERA, 0.935 WHIP, 8 K, 31 IP, 1 shutout.

Perhaps that will help give you some objectivity. There are still other factors that should be considered, such as the 60s being an incredibly pitcher-friendly era, and the modern game's dearth of complete games, and therefore shutouts.

So would you like to know who is who? Here ya go:

A) Madison Bumgarner - career World Series
B) Madison Bumgarner - career postseason total
C) Walter Johnson - career postseason (all World Series)
D) Sandy Koufax - career postseason (all World Series)
E) Bob Gibson - career postseason (all World Series)
F) Babe Ruth - career postseason (all World Series)

And for the record, I chose 5 pitchers and said I'd be fine with any of them. Bumgarner was one, and still is. And like I said before, I HATE HIM! I also chose Mathewson, but it's very difficult to compare pitching stats from the deadball era.

-Ryan

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by ElCabron

Um, one postseason? Madison Bumgarner has 3 rings. That's as many as Koufax. That's as many as Bob Gibson and Walter Johnson combined. Oh, and he's 25 years old. What's laughable is the willful ignorance displayed by so many that automatically think older is better. The theoretical question posed here was about who would be best in one game, LIFE OR DEATH, meaning the highest possible pressure situation. The closest comparison as far as baseball stats would be when the pressure is highest, namely, the postseason. More specifically, the World Series.



So, tell me this, without cheating and looking below, which postseason stats are better:



A) 4-0, 0.25 ERA, 0.528 WHIP, 31 K, 36 IP, 1 shutout.

B) 7-3, 2.14 ERA, 0.883 WHIP, 77 K, 88.1 IP, 2 shutouts.

C) 3-3, 2.52 ERA, 1.420 WHIP, 35 K, 50 IP, 1 shutout.

D) 4-3, 0.95 ERA, 0.825 WHIP, 61 K, 57 IP, 2 shutouts.

E) 7-2, 1.89 ERA, 0.889 WHIP, 92 K, 81 IP, 2 shutouts.

F) 3-0, 0.87 ERA, 0.935 WHIP, 8 K, 31 IP, 1 shutout.



Perhaps that will help give you some objectivity. There are still other factors that should be considered, such as the 60s being an incredibly pitcher-friendly era, and the modern game's dearth of complete games, and therefore shutouts.



So would you like to know who is who? Here ya go:



A) Madison Bumgarner - career World Series

B) Madison Bumgarner - career postseason total

C) Walter Johnson - career postseason (all World Series)

D) Sandy Koufax - career postseason (all World Series)

E) Bob Gibson - career postseason (all World Series)

F) Babe Ruth - career postseason (all World Series)



And for the record, I chose 5 pitchers and said I'd be fine with any of them. Bumgarner was one, and still is. And like I said before, I HATE HIM! I also chose Mathewson, but it's very difficult to compare pitching stats from the deadball era.



-Ryan

Easy bub...you act like it matters. I know the World Series is the biggest stage, but there are usually five or so pitchers better than bumgarner every year....but this coming year he may be top three. I get he just had an amazing playoff run this past year, but it was in fact, this year's run that put him on your list. So those scoring at home, it's....

Ryan 1
Mike 1




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[rats60]

Cobb cf
Wagner SS
Ruth lf
Gehrig 1b
Ted Williams DH
Clemente rf
Brett 3b
Hornsby 2B
Bench c
Koufax p

[frankbmd]

Who gets shot after the game? The players or the manager.

[jbhofmann]

LF Bonds (yes leadoff..want him getting all the PA he can get)
RF Ruth
2B Hornsby
1B Gehrig
CF Mays
3B Cabrera
C Bench
SS Wagner

SP Paige

[oldjudge]

1. Mays CF
2. Jeter SS
3. Ruth DH
4. Gehrig 1B
5. Bonds LF
6. Schmidt 3B
7. Reggie Jackson RF
8. Berra C
9. Alomar 2B

P--Koufax
RP-Rivera

[Centauri]

My 2 cents:

LF Ty Cobb
RF Ichiro
1B Stan Musial
CF Willie Mays
3B Brooks Robinson
2B Roberto Alomar
C John Bench
SS Ozzie Smith
P Pedro Martinez

Hard for anything to hit the ground with that outfield. And the infield? Unbelievable. If I had to have a DH, Paul Molitor or Pete Rose.

My team is built to hit the ball, get on base, play great defense and have speed everywhere. Big time winners, clutch performers.