T216 Kotton Cigarettes

[rman444]

Originally Posted by Leon

I know we have had this discussion but what is the difference between the T216 and E92 blank back Miller "big glove?"

Paper stock

[brianp-beme]

I typically can be relied upon to lower the optical standards of a thread.

Brian

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by rman444

Paper stock

paper stock is one of the telltale factors imo...but I think the smoking gun to differentiate these blank back t216 from e92 for example wpuld be the team caption.

For example, regarding my dots millers...the supposed t216 bb depicts dots with St. Louis...whereas all e92 depict him with pitt.

The only miller throwing cards depicted w/st louis are later issues like d303, e106...and t216.

Additionally the tones of the background(sunset) are slightly more vivid on the t216 issues than the e92...this is hard to see in a scan but more obvious holding the cards in my hand.

I'm also convinced the type font is slightly different...but this has proven even harder to demonstrate.

I can post scans later.

[tedzan]

Hey good buddy....how often we do we agree ?

Can you say....Chicago National, 2013....we had an interesting conversation then.



TED Z
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[Leon]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hey good buddy....how often we do we agree ?

Can you say....Chicago National, 2013....we had an interesting conversation then.

TED Z
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As for card stock being the difference that marks e92 from t216 I am probably in agreement. I know some of the cards in t216 are very thin (I call them type 3) and others have a glossy coat (if I remember correctly from holding one) but the team changes do it for me. I am also less convinced on the coloring of them....I think shades can probably be found different in the same series. (not positive)

[ullmandds]

While I agree that color variations most certainly exist within similar cards within a set(s)...I feel that the difference in this case is somewhat substantial.

The earlier e92's all exhibit a lighter...more yellow background whereas the later issues more orange.

Just an observation on my part...the caption tells the tale.

[Leon]

I see what you mean Pete. Thanks for posting those examples side by side.

[Mikehealer]

Thanks Blair
Here's wishing you and all my net54 friends a safe and happy Holiday Season!!

Mike

[tedzan]

Miller was traded to St. Louis in December 1913. Except for E106 cards, I don't think there are too many "T216 size" Candy issues after that date; therefore,
a St. Louis caption denotes a T216 card.

Oops....I didn't realize that Pete had already mentioned this





TED Z

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[ullmandds]

Ted!!!!! Brutha! We agree!!!!!!!!!