One T206, Two Names

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by Harford20

I was going through some of the cards that I have never had graded and came across this Polar Bear Addie Joss Pitching. I first noted that there was not a name at the bottom and assumed it was trimmed. I measured it, and the length was a solid 2-5/8" or 67 mm (NL or near NL). Upon close inspection I noted this partial name at the top. Despite looking at my other T206s I cannot come up with a match, although I have mainly a HOFer collection. I kept trying to put Joss' own name up there, but just not sure. I tried looking at commons in several galleries, but I just cannot pick out enough specifics to identify the name.

Wanted to get the Hound or one of the other expert sleuths out there to render their opinion.

Thanks Dave

95% certain it is Joss, Cleveland:

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by t206hound

95% certain it is Joss, Cleveland:

I concur

[Luke]

That's "SCHLEI N. Y. NAT' L" on top

[Jantz]

Nice card Luke!

Thank you for posting it.


Jantz

[Jantz]

First off I would like to thank everyone who has participated in this thread.

From the start of this thread I've always asked for a card's back information and here is a reason why the back information is just as important as the card's front.

In post #210 Luke posted up a newly discovered two different name T206. Heinie Wagner (left shoulder) Sweet Caporal 350 f#30 with Schlei's name at the top. So as we deducted earlier in this thread, Schlei's name on the top would make it the catching pose.

Yesterday Luke posted the Johnson with Schlei's name on the top again, but with a different back. Since the Johnson has a Piedmont 150 back, the Schlei card on top would also be the catching pose again.

So a breakdown would be Schlei (catching pose) above two different player's cards, on two different backs, along with two different series.

Just some interesting points I wanted to point out to everyone else.

Thanks again


Jantz

[Jobu]

Fascinating stuff Jantz.

If I read you right, basically what you are saying is that sheet layout appears to have varied between backs. This would help to explain why this puzzle has been so difficult to piece together.

My Questions:

One
Are there any examples of a player with 3 different names on the top (his own plus two others) that all have the same back? (EX: All three from Piedmont 150-25)

If this exists it would seem to suggest that we may never figure out a true sheet layout because there were too many moving parts even within a print run for a single series of a single ad back in a single factory.

Two
Are there examples of identical two name on top players that are from different ad backs within the same series but from the same factory? (EX: Player A usually has player A above him but less frequently has an identical player B above him for both Piedmont 150-25 and Sweet Cap 150-25)

The existence of this seems plausible to me and would suggest that layout variation occurred between, and not within, factories.

Yet another wrinkle would be changes in layout between series and factory (EX: Pd 150-25 and SC 150-25 share a layout that is different than the shared layout by Pd 350-25 and SC 350-25).

I think that is enough rampant speculation for one post. Particularly because this may all have been covered in old threads (sorry if that is the case!).

[curtis-cards]

I have an O'Leary SC 350-460, 42 overprint with O'Leary, Detroit on top. Name is cut off on bottom as well.