JSA....We'll take PSA's rejects!!!

[RichardSimon]

Hot off the presses, the story grows,,,, ( this story is online at http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/sp...raphs-a/nh9fq/ )



Credit the Palm Beach Post:


Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston identified scores of items bearing his signature that were forgeries, sources told the Palm Beach Post.


Winston sat down with FSU compliance officials one month ago to look at the memorabilia being sold online bearing his signature after ESPN reported that thousands of authenticated items were for sale. He was able to point out several signatures that he said were forged and several items that had his signature that he knew he had not signed.


"When he looked at the initial website mentioned by ESPN, he looked at multiple things and said that wasn't his signature," said a source.


Winston viewed items such as jerseys, mini helmets, photos among others with his signature.


ESPN reported Tuesday that one authentication company is questioning the legitimacy of thousands of items being sold with Winston's signature.


The items in question were authenticated by James Spence Authentication. A competitor, PSA/DNA, did not authenticate those items after questioning if Winston ever signed them.


The report said a Florida memorabilia dealer was hoping to get Winston to sign a large amount of items last winter. Even after Winston refused, the dealer produced a batch of items with Winston's name signed to them. No witnesses to Winston signing the items has been found.


ESPN found more than 2,000 certified Winston autographs on JSA's website last month and raised the issue of whether Winston was paid for the signatures, which would be an NCAA violation.


Five days after ESPN's initial report, Florida State released a statement saying it had no information or evidence that Winston was paid. Since arriving at Florida State in 2012, Winston has autographed thousands of items. He has signed thousands at one sitting during fan days or while attending award ceremonies following his Heisman Trophy and national championship winning 2013 season. He also sometimes would sign hundreds a day while he was a member of the FSU baseball team.


Winston has said he tries to avoid signing multiple items for the same person and turns down requests from people who he believes to be dealers.

[Duluth Eskimo]

I wouldn't believe a word he says, but I'm surprised he has time to comment in between defending all his crimes.

I do think it's funny if it's true. People get what they deserve when they choose to spend big money without having any idea what they are buying. It also would be quite a black eye for JSA if true. Either way we'll probably never get the truth unless someone snapped some cell phone video of the signing. I know one thing, doesn't affect me either way.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

I know one thing, doesn't affect me either way.

Really? You quit collecting autographs?

[sbfinley]

Am I the only one who finds it a bit strange for PSA/DNA to be cool with hanging out in a hotel room to witness a collegiate athlete sign a mass quantity of memorabilia? Doesn't... I don't know.... Common Sense??.... Tell you someone's getting paid and this could end badly?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

Am I the only one who finds it a bit strange for PSA/DNA to be cool with hanging out in a hotel room to witness a collegiate athlete sign a mass quantity of memorabilia? Doesn't... I don't know.... Common Sense??.... Tell you someone's getting paid and this could end badly?

Steve, to some of us it is common sense, but we had a long discussion about this previously, and there are a few forum member who basically feel that JSA is in the autograph-authentication business, and once an autograph is put in front of them, they should take the money and do their job, not considering anything else.

To me it is poor ethics, but to others it is not - we could debate ethics and morality all day and get nowhere. It's right up there with religion and politics.

[tazdmb]

I see no problems with it, they are not there to be a judgement of moral character and be an enforcer for NCAA regulations, they are there to perform their job to ensure the autograph is authentic. I, for once, applaud them.

[sbfinley]

I'm just surprised people are okay with a TPA being a party in an action that could cost a kid his college eligibility when they're slammed on a daily basis for what they will and won't cert.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by tazdmb

I see no problems with it, they are not there to be a judgement of moral character and be an enforcer for NCAA regulations, they are there to perform their job to ensure the autograph is authentic. I, for once, applaud them.

Yes insure the autograph is authentic.
1000 autographs x 10 experts = 10,000 examinations. The original dealer was paid $30-40 per autograph so guestimate he paid $5-10 (?) per examination. Do the math, does this work out? I think not
In addition the player himself has now said he has seen autographs that were authenticated, on ebay, but not authentic.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Yes insure the autograph is authentic.
1000 autographs x 10 experts = 10,000 examinations. The original dealer was paid $30-40 per autograph so guestimate he paid $10 (?) per examination. Do the math, does this work out? I think not
In addition the player himself has now said he has seen autographs that were authenticated, on ebay, but not authentic.

So basically, JSA can ignore ethics and even ignore the process of authenticating the autograph...and still get paid.

I applaud them.

[tazdmb]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Yes insure the autograph is authentic.
1000 autographs x 10 experts = 10,000 examinations. The original dealer was paid $30-40 per autograph so guestimate he paid $5-10 (?) per examination. Do the math, does this work out? I think not
In addition the player himself has now said he has seen autographs that were authenticated, on ebay, but not authentic.

I am not following this, what I meant was I am glad PSA had the decency not to authenticate these items that they could not see in their presence, which they would do that more often.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Really? You quit collecting autographs?

yes, I did...