No love for FSU....

[Section103]

Originally Posted by gopherfan

Arkansas, same thing.

Either this is hyperbole, out of context, or you're making stuff up. Arkansas has 1 conference win in the last 2 years. Nobody is talking about Arkansas being good on a national level. They're getting better. They're tough and physical. They're not a great team and haven't been since Bobby P fell off his motorcycle.

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by Section103

Either this is hyperbole, out of context, or you're making stuff up. Arkansas has 1 conference win in the last 2 years. Nobody is talking about Arkansas being good on a national level. They're getting better. They're tough and physical. They're not a great team and haven't been since Bobby P fell off his motorcycle.

Apparently beating a horrible Arkansas team by 1 doesn't hurt Alabama, but beating Kansas by 4 will knock TCU down in the polls.

From ESPN:

Mississippi State is followed by TCU, which slipped to No. 5 after a closer-than-expected win against Kansas on Saturday. Ohio State moved up two spots to No. 6, ahead of TCU's Big 12 rival Baylor.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...egon-ducks-top

[Runscott]

You aren't making much sense. Arkansas just shut out LSU. LSU should have beaten Alabama.

Minnesota is in the list, at the very bottom - ahead of both LSU and Arkansas,who aren't in it at all. Revel in that for a week and quit fixating on the SEC.

[Section103]

Originally Posted by gopherfan

Apparently beating a horrible Arkansas team by 1 doesn't hurt Alabama, but beating Kansas by 4 will knock TCU down in the polls.

From ESPN:

Mississippi State is followed by TCU, which slipped to No. 5 after a closer-than-expected win against Kansas on Saturday. Ohio State moved up two spots to No. 6, ahead of TCU's Big 12 rival Baylor.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...egon-ducks-top

It wouldn't have been possible for Alabama to fall in the polls after the 1 point win to Arky because.......there was no CFP poll at that time. Im pretty sure Bama's ranking is considering their entire body of work - including that game. Personally, Im not convinced they're #1, but I absolutely believe they are top 4. Vegas, on the other hand, does absolutely believe they are #1. That's not bias, that's straight $ on the line.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Section103

It wouldn't have been possible for Alabama to fall in the polls after the 1 point win to Arky because.......there was no CFP poll at that time. Im pretty sure Bama's ranking is considering their entire body of work - including that game. Personally, Im not convinced they're #1, but I absolutely believe they are top 4. Vegas, on the other hand, does absolutely believe they are #1. That's not bias, that's straight $ on the line.

So who is #1?

• Oregon? they have shown more glaring defensive weaknesses than any team in the top 7
• Florida State? In a 4-team playoff, their inability to play football in the first half could get them knocked out in the 1st round. I doubt the come-backs they've staged against average teams will work against Alabama or Mississippi State.
• Mississippi State? Alabama just beat them fairly soundly
• TCU? I don't think they will even win out, but if they do, they lose the 1st playoff game
• Ohio State? Possibly. A dark horse if they can get in.
• Baylor? Another team with huge defense issues

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by Runscott

So who is #1?

• Oregon? they have shown more glaring defensive weaknesses than any team in the top 7
• Florida State? In a 4-team playoff, their inability to play football in the first half could get them knocked out in the 1st round. I doubt the come-backs they've staged against average teams will work against Alabama or Mississippi State.
• Mississippi State? Alabama just beat them fairly soundly
• TCU? I don't think they will even win out, but if they do, they lose the 1st playoff game
• Ohio State? Possibly. A dark horse if they can get in.
• Baylor? Another team with huge defense issues

FSU mentally beats teams in the second half. In this way they remind me of Tyson in his prime, when people were scared to hit him.

[Section103]

Originally Posted by Runscott

So who is #1?

• Oregon? they have shown more glaring defensive weaknesses than any team in the top 7
• Florida State? In a 4-team playoff, their inability to play football in the first half could get them knocked out in the 1st round. I doubt the come-backs they've staged against average teams will work against Alabama or Mississippi State.
• Mississippi State? Alabama just beat them fairly soundly
• TCU? I don't think they will even win out, but if they do, they lose the 1st playoff game
• Ohio State? Possibly. A dark horse if they can get in.
• Baylor? Another team with huge defense issues

My short answer is "I don't know". I think Alabama is a better team than Oregon by just a bit; but I also think Oregon has had a better season by just a bit. I don't know what to make of FSU. They start out slow against anyone in the FCS and they're done. I think all 3 of them clearly belong in the top 4 and could be placed in any order. I would probably lean UO, AL, FSU - but....whatever.

I have a much harder time with TCU, Baylor and Miss State for the 4 spot.

[bbcard1]

And still no sign of a 10-0 Thundering Herd that soundly beat a decent Rice team last week.Not saying we should be in the 4, but we certainly belong in the top 25.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

And still no sign of a 10-0 Thundering Herd that soundly beat a decent Rice team last week.Not saying we should be in the 4, but we certainly belong in the top 25.

I agree with that.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Section103

My short answer is "I don't know". I think Alabama is a better team than Oregon by just a bit; but I also think Oregon has had a better season by just a bit. I don't know what to make of FSU. They start out slow against anyone in the FCS and they're done. I think all 3 of them clearly belong in the top 4 and could be placed in any order. I would probably lean UO, AL, FSU - but....whatever.

I have a much harder time with TCU, Baylor and Miss State for the 4 spot.

I think what hurts FSU as much as anything, is their team from last year. I consider them as one of the best teams of all time. With the exception of the National title game, they absolutely destroyed everybody. They average 54 points a game, and allowed around 10 points per game. I know the panel is
not supposed to consider things such as this, but I think it does happen to some degree....

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I think what hurts FSU as much as anything, is their team from last year. I consider them as one of the best teams of all time. With the exception of the National title game, they absolutely destroyed everybody. They average 54 points a game, and allowed around 10 points per game. I know the panel is
not supposed to consider things such as this, but I think it does happen to some degree....

You have got to be kidding. They beat a bunch of seriously crappy teams, then barely beat Auburn. Last year was a down year for college football. Florida State is better this year, but so are a lot of other teams. The panel doesn't need to consider anything other than this year - another year where Florida State has played a bunch of mediocre teams.

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by Section103

Either this is hyperbole, out of context, or you're making stuff up. Arkansas has 1 conference win in the last 2 years. Nobody is talking about Arkansas being good on a national level. They're getting better. They're tough and physical. They're not a great team and haven't been since Bobby P fell off his motorcycle.

+1

Arkansas overcame some close loses early on and improved this season.