No love for FSU....

[Section103]

Originally Posted by gopherfan

Apparently beating a horrible Arkansas team by 1 doesn't hurt Alabama, but beating Kansas by 4 will knock TCU down in the polls.

From ESPN:

Mississippi State is followed by TCU, which slipped to No. 5 after a closer-than-expected win against Kansas on Saturday. Ohio State moved up two spots to No. 6, ahead of TCU's Big 12 rival Baylor.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...egon-ducks-top

It wouldn't have been possible for Alabama to fall in the polls after the 1 point win to Arky because.......there was no CFP poll at that time. Im pretty sure Bama's ranking is considering their entire body of work - including that game. Personally, Im not convinced they're #1, but I absolutely believe they are top 4. Vegas, on the other hand, does absolutely believe they are #1. That's not bias, that's straight $ on the line.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Section103

It wouldn't have been possible for Alabama to fall in the polls after the 1 point win to Arky because.......there was no CFP poll at that time. Im pretty sure Bama's ranking is considering their entire body of work - including that game. Personally, Im not convinced they're #1, but I absolutely believe they are top 4. Vegas, on the other hand, does absolutely believe they are #1. That's not bias, that's straight $ on the line.

So who is #1?

• Oregon? they have shown more glaring defensive weaknesses than any team in the top 7
• Florida State? In a 4-team playoff, their inability to play football in the first half could get them knocked out in the 1st round. I doubt the come-backs they've staged against average teams will work against Alabama or Mississippi State.
• Mississippi State? Alabama just beat them fairly soundly
• TCU? I don't think they will even win out, but if they do, they lose the 1st playoff game
• Ohio State? Possibly. A dark horse if they can get in.
• Baylor? Another team with huge defense issues

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by Runscott

So who is #1?

• Oregon? they have shown more glaring defensive weaknesses than any team in the top 7
• Florida State? In a 4-team playoff, their inability to play football in the first half could get them knocked out in the 1st round. I doubt the come-backs they've staged against average teams will work against Alabama or Mississippi State.
• Mississippi State? Alabama just beat them fairly soundly
• TCU? I don't think they will even win out, but if they do, they lose the 1st playoff game
• Ohio State? Possibly. A dark horse if they can get in.
• Baylor? Another team with huge defense issues

FSU mentally beats teams in the second half. In this way they remind me of Tyson in his prime, when people were scared to hit him.

[Section103]

Originally Posted by Runscott

So who is #1?

• Oregon? they have shown more glaring defensive weaknesses than any team in the top 7
• Florida State? In a 4-team playoff, their inability to play football in the first half could get them knocked out in the 1st round. I doubt the come-backs they've staged against average teams will work against Alabama or Mississippi State.
• Mississippi State? Alabama just beat them fairly soundly
• TCU? I don't think they will even win out, but if they do, they lose the 1st playoff game
• Ohio State? Possibly. A dark horse if they can get in.
• Baylor? Another team with huge defense issues

My short answer is "I don't know". I think Alabama is a better team than Oregon by just a bit; but I also think Oregon has had a better season by just a bit. I don't know what to make of FSU. They start out slow against anyone in the FCS and they're done. I think all 3 of them clearly belong in the top 4 and could be placed in any order. I would probably lean UO, AL, FSU - but....whatever.

I have a much harder time with TCU, Baylor and Miss State for the 4 spot.

[bbcard1]

And still no sign of a 10-0 Thundering Herd that soundly beat a decent Rice team last week.Not saying we should be in the 4, but we certainly belong in the top 25.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

And still no sign of a 10-0 Thundering Herd that soundly beat a decent Rice team last week.Not saying we should be in the 4, but we certainly belong in the top 25.

I agree with that.

[jiw98]

If I counted correctly, there are 10 FBS conferences. If the NCAA wants a real National Champion, they should invite only schools that won their conference. The teams could be ranked 1-10. The first week of the play-offs play the bottom four against each other. With eight teams left play 1 vs 8, 2 vs 7.... Winners keep playing until a champion is decided. Four weeks and all is won or lost on the field.
With a tournament like this there should be no complaining, you win your conference or stay home. If you want to be in the play-offs join a conference.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Section103

My short answer is "I don't know". I think Alabama is a better team than Oregon by just a bit; but I also think Oregon has had a better season by just a bit. I don't know what to make of FSU. They start out slow against anyone in the FCS and they're done. I think all 3 of them clearly belong in the top 4 and could be placed in any order. I would probably lean UO, AL, FSU - but....whatever.

I have a much harder time with TCU, Baylor and Miss State for the 4 spot.

I think what hurts FSU as much as anything, is their team from last year. I consider them as one of the best teams of all time. With the exception of the National title game, they absolutely destroyed everybody. They average 54 points a game, and allowed around 10 points per game. I know the panel is
not supposed to consider things such as this, but I think it does happen to some degree....

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I think what hurts FSU as much as anything, is their team from last year. I consider them as one of the best teams of all time. With the exception of the National title game, they absolutely destroyed everybody. They average 54 points a game, and allowed around 10 points per game. I know the panel is
not supposed to consider things such as this, but I think it does happen to some degree....

You have got to be kidding. They beat a bunch of seriously crappy teams, then barely beat Auburn. Last year was a down year for college football. Florida State is better this year, but so are a lot of other teams. The panel doesn't need to consider anything other than this year - another year where Florida State has played a bunch of mediocre teams.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Runscott

You have got to be kidding. They beat a bunch of seriously crappy teams, then barely beat Auburn. Last year was a down year for college football. Florida State is better this year, but so are a lot of other teams. The panel doesn't need to consider anything other than this year - another year where Florida State has played a bunch of mediocre teams.

Scott- you need to go back and look at the schedule from last year. They beat teams 80-14, 77-14, 59-3, 68-7, etc...If you think FSU is better this year than last year, I am in complete disbelief and shock. In addition, they had about 9 guys from last years team that went in the the draft. Sorry, but this is where we have to agree to disagree big time. Last years team was far superior, not even close...

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by Runscott

You have got to be kidding. They beat a bunch of seriously crappy teams, then barely beat Auburn. Last year was a down year for college football. Florida State is better this year, but so are a lot of other teams. The panel doesn't need to consider anything other than this year - another year where Florida State has played a bunch of mediocre teams.

I have to disagree with you 100% on this year's team. Last year's team was much better, quite a few guys from that team are in the NFL.

The championship is another thing. The Noles shocked everyone with their level of play there. But a win is a win.