The "Very Good Hall of Fame"

[jason.1969]

With heavy Dodger bias, I nominate:
Steve Garvey
Pete Rose
Joe Jackson
Kirk Gibson
Orel Hershiser
Dale Murphy

Dump:
Tony LaRussa
Ford Frick
20-30 guys at about the George Kell level

Right now, the HOF has 240 players and 300+ members overall. This feels too big. My gut is that a Hall of Famer is the kind of player who comes around only once every 2-3 years. If we take the 125 years from 1876-2000 as when potential HOFers would have made their debut, that would make only about 50 HOFers, plus perhaps 5 active players on their way.

I suspect my "every 2-3 years" criterion seems severe, and I would be okay with "every year." Still, it bothers me to think that among each year's rookie class, with perhaps an average of 2-3 guys making their teams each year, that 2 or more are likely HOFers.

And yes, my nominations list above presumes today's more-the-merrier approach rather than the more draconian angle I preach.

[RTK]

Jim Edmunds
Dave Parker

[celoknob]

Ted Simmons
Dave Concepcion

[packs]

I would also like to nominate:

Ellis Burks
Moises Alou
Tim Salmon

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by packs

I would also like to nominate:

Ellis Burks
Moises Alou
Tim Salmon

Tim Salmon? .282 AVG, 299 HR, 1,016 RBI. Never even an All Star. Not once.

Those numbers would be pedestrian in any era. But in one of the greatest offensive eras in history, he puts up those numbers? He's nowhere close to being a Hall of Famer.

Moises Alou. Numbers are a little better, but never led the league in a single statistical category. No.

Ellis Burks? One top ten MVP finish, and that was a season he hit .344 AVG, 40 HR and 128 RBI....in Colorado. Two other top 20 MVP votes in 18 seasons. Two time All Star.

None of these guys are even close to being Hall of Fame worthy.

[39special]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Tim Salmon? .282 AVG, 299 HR, 1,016 RBI. Never even an All Star. Not once.

Those numbers would be pedestrian in any era. But in one of the greatest offensive eras in history, he puts up those numbers? He's nowhere close to being a Hall of Famer.

Moises Alou. Numbers are a little better, but never led the league in a single statistical category. No.

Ellis Burks? One top ten MVP finish, and that was a season he hit .344 AVG, 40 HR and 128 RBI....in Colorado. Two other top 20 MVP votes in 18 seasons. Two time All Star.

None of these guys are even close to being Hall of Fame worthy.

Bill,this is for guys that are not quite Hall of Famers.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by 39special

Bill,this is for guys that are not quite Hall of Famers.

You know, that's my bad for misreading how this was being done. I knew we were nominating very good players, but it almost looked like they were meant to replace some people who were in Cooperstown, but didn't belong there.

So we're making a separate Very Good Hall of Fame, which will be comprised of players we nominate, AND take from the current Hall of Fame that do not belong there.

I gotcha. Packs, my apologies. Those guys you listed would be very good for the Very Good Hall of Fame.

[cardsfan73]

Ted Simmons
Al Oliver
Allen Tramell
Lou Whitaker
Dale Murphy
Keith Hernandez
Chili Davis
Mark Grace
John Olerud
Lee Smith
Dwight Evans
Vada Pinson
Jack Morris

Being interesting to have someone actually create a poll for this and see who gets elected!

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by jason.1969

Right now, the HOF has 240 players and 300+ members overall. This feels too big. My gut is that a Hall of Famer is the kind of player who comes around only once every 2-3 years. If we take the 125 years from 1876-2000 as when potential HOFers would have made their debut, that would make only about 50 HOFers, plus perhaps 5 active players on their way.

I don't care how many are in - it's the quality that bugs me.

1996 was a great year for voting - they couldn't come up with a single person to elect, yet six of the ones voted on eventually made it. What does that say? Choices in future years were so awful that they eventually felt compelled to let these guys in anyway? Uggh.

One year Jim Kaat was way ahead of Blyleven, yet Blyleven eventually got voted in?

[wolf441]

Nominate:

Bill Dahlen
Tony Oliva

Demote:

Marquard
Tinker
Chance
Haines
Bottomly
Bancroft
and basically everyone else that Frankie Frisch pushed through...