That Cicotte CJ 14 at Love the Game: What's Up?

[calvindog]

Wow, Rob, what a bastard you are -- the card sold for more than your estimate. How dare you?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Greg's hopes may have been up, but it's hard to see how that can be fairly attributed to anything Rob did or did not do. Sheesh.

[GregMitch34]

Please point to where I claimed REA over-sold me on the card. I never made that claim. I simply pointed out that they probably had their own somewhat higher hopes for card since, unlike most of their other high-priced CJ cards, they did NOT provide an estimate with the listing in the catalog. Instead it was "open." I never said they misled me personally. So they are knocking down a straw man. And, really, quoting an SMR price?

[calvindog]

Greg, they gave YOU the estimate -- and the card surpassed it. No one is suggesting that REA "over-sold" you on the card. What we're saying is that your complaints about REA are without merit. How can a card surpass their estimates translate to "they probably had their own somewhat higher hopes for [the] card"? They had their estimate and it was surpassed. And Rob is claiming that he was pleased with the result -- yet you were "very disappointed." So because the card didn't sell for the unrealistic price you were hoping for, you blame it on the catalog?

And curiously, when I asked last night if Rob had given you his own estimate of the card's final auction price, you went silent, thus leaving the implication that no REA estimate was provided. It was -- just to you.

[GregMitch34]

"Went silent"? I guess there's a time limit for replying to queries--especially when one has family, work to do, annual physical, etc.? And, for the second time--I never claimed REA over-hyped me on the card. I still think it's interesting that unlike in most other cases they did not put "3000-5000" estimate in the catalog. That suggests that they, like me, had some hope of doing better. After all, the card was "new to the hobby" and was top graded by two whole points. Naturally one wonders what it might bring. That's all I've said.

[calvindog]

No, you clearly suggested that the the catalog hurt your card's final hammer price -- even though it surpassed Rob's estimate. Can you appreciate how that looks?

[usernamealreadytaken]

Greg. Do you basically mean to say that you are disappointed that the card didn't sell higher? In other words, estimates (or not) and quality of catalogue pics aside, the market just didn't value the card where you would have expected and wanted it to be? Or are you claiming something else (that REA's failure to provide an estimate in the listing and/or poor pics) depressed the final price?

BTW, in my opinion, the current CJ market is being driven by collectors ticking off a checklist, not amassing the finest set. That explains the Cicotte going off. There have been quite a few Marquards on the market lately . . .

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by GregMitch34

"Went silent"? I guess there's a time limit for replying to queries--especially when one has family, work to do, annual physical, etc.? And, for the second time--I never claimed REA over-hyped me on the card. I still think it's interesting that unlike in other cases they did not put "3000-5000" estimate in the catalog. That suggests that they, like me, had some hope of doing better. After all, the card was "new to the hobby" and was top graded by two whole points. Naturally one wonders what it might bring. That's all I've said.

I think you are projecting your own hope onto Rob. He clearly told you what he thought it would bring and he was right.

[uniship]

It's a gorgeous card. And it's a $5k card. And REA is basically the best in the business, so I would feel good you got the true market price at a time with the CJ set is still hot. Buyer got a fair deal and seller got the honest market value. REA got rightful commission, everyone wins. Nothing else to see here. IMO.