Reach and Spalding Pages on ebay

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

This type of stuff has gone on with Gustav Dore book engravings etc. forever in the book world. Would never buy one myself.

I had this discussion with a friend very recently. I choose Dore over Blake when it comes to The Divine Comedy and apparently so do others because I have yet to find a version missing Blake's drawings, but often find them missing Dore engravings. As for the topic of this thread - I'm not for destroying books in any condition. Kind of like chopping up a Cobb bat or Gehrig jersey for a card(relics?).

[glynparson]

with very few known has extreme historical significance a book with untold amounts of copies still floating around is not. If it were the value would be too large to take this risks of buying and cutting them up. Look at it as maybe a good investment if you truly feel so many are being cut up that it will effect the supply greatly buy some intact books and forget about them for a while.

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by glynparson

with very few known has extreme historical significance a book with untold amounts of copies still floating around is not. If it were the value would be too large to take this risks of buying and cutting them up. Look at it as maybe a good investment if you truly feel so many are being cut up that it will effect the supply greatly by some intact books and forget about them for a while.

I agree with you about the comparison not being equal when it comes to rarity, but when cut up can no longer be enjoyed in it's original form. In the case of Dante/Dore would be sad to lose the value of the story that goes with the image just like a sliver of a bat loses the weight of it's design and purpose. I understand that just because I don't favor it doesn't mean that it shouldn't continue to happen for the sake of profit. It's an interesting topic to chime in on and I'm curious to read more opinions from our members. Or, do you want to put it to bed and start another Titus thread?

[bn2cardz]

I have stated before people can do whatever they like. Just like people use beater t206 cards to test altering card theories.
Or people cut down sheets. I just personally can't do it. I also don't understand anyone buying a single page from a book.

There is a thread about Jeter collectors being crazy. I think "pages from books" collectors to be crazy. To me it is just as crazy as cutting out just the Nolan Ryan picture from a 1968 Topps. I understand you aren't a Jerry Koosman collector but you just cut the card in half.

Think about it like this. Who would want a uncut strip of t206 cards. How about a uncut strip with Wagner and Plank on it? There was one, but because someone decided to cut it up to sell the cards individually it no longer exsists. Sometimes the long term goal of preserving history should be the goal instead of the short term minimal monetary return.

[glynparson]

And books with countless copies are apples and oranges. I will not cut up the books or buy the pages does not mean I will tell others how to spend their money or judge them for it as long as they are not hurting anyone in the process

[barrysloate]

It's neither illegal or unethical to cut the pages out of books, but it's tacky and collectors frown upon it. It's our job as collectors to preserve artifacts, not destroy them. Of course anyone is free to cut up the books, but to me that isn't the point.

[glynparson]

I think you stated much more eloquently what I was trying to say. I am not for it but I am not going to chastise the buyers either. I do not enjoy telling people what they have when they show me one of those pages in those crappy slabs. But to me those were being presented often as cards not what they really are. I get the outrage when not disclosed I just refuse to have it when the item is clearly identified. Though I do find it as Barry said Tacky.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

It's neither illegal or unethical to cut the pages out of books, but it's tacky and collectors frown upon it. It's our job as collectors to preserve artifacts, not destroy them. Of course anyone is free to cut up the books, but to me that isn't the point.

Barry,

I completely agree with you.

And quite well said, as usual.

Best regards,

Eric

[bbcard1]

Chandy Greenholt, who is as ethical and passionate guy as you will ever meet, got literally a milk crate full of these that he was selling for $1 a page. I bought a few including a Ruth ad that I might frame up nicely one day, but they were "broken when he got them."

[glynparson]

I would not do it but I think it is sanctimonious to come on hear and rip people to shreads for what they may enjoy collecting. I find it arrogant to tell others how to spend their money. I understand the outrage I just don't agree with it. If the cutting up of the books bothered me as much as you guys I would put my money where my mouth is and start buying up complete books to save for posterity. Rather than come on the message boards and whine about it every month. Like I said I am not the morality police if it is not hurting others and is properly labeled sell them. I do not see where it is any of our business what someone wishes to buy or do. I don't see the difficulty in comprehending that position and frankly find it funny that all of us who have spent fortunes on cardboard look down on others for what they choose to purchase.

[glynparson]

Ripping those that sell them as cards, that is misrepresenting what they are. I just think counterfeiters and card doctors deserve our attention and scorn more than a guy cutting up a book.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

Chandy Greenholt, who is as ethical and passionate guy as you will ever meet, got literally a milk crate full of these that he was selling for $1 a page. I bought a few including a Ruth ad that I might frame up nicely one day, but they were "broken when he got them."

Agree on Chandy. Great guy!

According to some though, his only option would have been to destroy them. Since selling them might encourage others to do so. So rather than allowing others the opportunity of having a single page with a player they like, his option is to not provide them to anyone? Talk about being inconsistent.

[doug.goodman]

I don't like it, but I collect Police Gazette, Harpers and Leslies pages, so what do I know?

Doug

[irishdenny]

Honestly... Is this True?
That by Collecting Police Gazette's of Christy Mathewson...
Some People believe that I am Encouraging Other's to Cut uP Magazine's?

Can this really be true?

I am Not at All trying to be antagonistic... My point is, Could this be an era related mentality? I didn't think fir a moment that the Collecting of the Gazette's would cause me to think anything other than, "I'm Glad that these were preserved by those who came before me!

As a Collector, iT iS My duty to do everything I can to preserve these Artifacts.
I wonder now if there were those who took issue with the dismantling of an Old Police Gazette's?

Oh, and Not that I don't care... it's just that the world is so full of Politics'. The reason why I come here is leave that All behind. iN the Past year I have been intrigued by the Magazine ad's of Baseball's past! ie Tuxedo, Tabaco, etc... I've been looking to purchase some of the Magazine's. Never gave it a thought that I would pull the ads out. I picked up a couple and have been reading them for the Nostalgia...

"Now I have to worry about the Political Magazine Police"

Just ta Note: The only Mathewson Police Gazette that I presently own iS one iN which there is No writing oN the Top of the Page, which means that it was issued at the end of the year by the Company within a set.
Not takiN' from the Magazine!

No Worries...

[Jeffrompa]

We have talked about this before . All I keep thinking is I can sell you my car which you can cherish as a whole or I can sell you the parts that will cost you more .

[tschock]

Originally Posted by Jeffrompa

We have talked about this before . All I keep thinking is I can sell you my car which you can cherish as a whole or I can sell you the parts that will cost you more .

.... unless I only care about or need a few parts. Then it's MUCH cheaper buying the parts.