Wagner Bought on eBay for under $200 (video)

[Bpm0014]

It's not a horrible reprint though... Fake, but not blatant. Had it been a $15 common or even a $50 minor HOFer, it fools 9/10 people I think.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

It's not a horrible reprint though... Fake, but not blatant. Had it been a $15 common or even a $50 minor HOFer, it fools 9/10 people I think.

Brendan, once it's under a loupe, it's a fake in 3 seconds. If 9 out of 10 people don't use loupes for lithograph items that, if real, are quite valuable, then not only will 9 out of people be fooled, but 9 out of 10 people are fools.

[chernieto]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Brendan, once it's under a loupe, it's a fake in 3 seconds. If 9 out of 10 people don't use loupes for items that, if real, are quite valuable, then not only will 9 out of people be fooled, but 9 out of 10 people are fools.

ouch!

luppy loupe.jpg

I never used one on ebay before - I admit it. The ability of N54 members to pick out a fake is far greater than the general public's ability.
N54 members vs TPG's now....I don't know!

[ullmandds]

I have never used a loupe on ebay before either...most fakes are very easy to deduce. This one looks netter than most...but is still discernible as fake without extra magnification.

I have a friend who is a buyer of gold/silver and stones...and she carries a loupe on her keychain everywhere she goes. I'm considering doing the same...I may have to buy a man purse!

Originally Posted by chernieto

ouch!

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I never used one on ebay before - I admit it. The ability of N54 members to pick out a fake is far greater than the general public's ability.
N54 members vs TPG's now....I don't know!

[Ladder7]

It's not a purse, it's European,

[ullmandds]

Exactly!

Originally Posted by Ladder7

It's not a purse, it's European,

[t206hound]

made it's way to the NBCNews homepage:

http://www.nbcnews.com/

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...rd-200-n204511

[bn2cardz]

Has anyone contacted the seller and asked if he personally made the reprint? I was going to but then realized he may have already had that question many times by now.

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by t206hound

made it's way to the NBCNews homepage:

http://www.nbcnews.com/

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...rd-200-n204511

Lol nbc... Ugh

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by chernieto

ouch!

I never used one on ebay before - I admit it. The ability of N54 members to pick out a fake is far greater than the general public's ability.
N54 members vs TPG's now....I don't know!

I know you guys are all brilliant, but even if you think you have eagle-eyes like Paul's, if you are thinking about buying a valuable card and you have any doubt whatsoever, my own personal opinion is that you should take out your loupe and waste 3 seconds verifying the veracity of your peepers. With lithos it's a very easy test.

I doubt anyone here would buy a Wagner without seeing it in person, so my loupe idea is probably do-able. The guy who won this Wagner obviously didn't have that option, but the card was advertised as a 'reprint'. That was enough for me to move on when I saw the listing - since the scan looked like a real card, I assumed that the seller had printed off a photo of a real Wagner and roughed it up. I still think that's what he did - it would take some work, but it wouldn't be too hard to glue good front and back photos to a thin piece of cardboard and rough it up.

Spending $177 on that card was like buying a lottery ticket for a lottery that was over.