Wagner Bought on eBay for under $200 (video)

[chernieto]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Brendan, once it's under a loupe, it's a fake in 3 seconds. If 9 out of 10 people don't use loupes for items that, if real, are quite valuable, then not only will 9 out of people be fooled, but 9 out of 10 people are fools.

ouch!

luppy loupe.jpg

I never used one on ebay before - I admit it. The ability of N54 members to pick out a fake is far greater than the general public's ability.
N54 members vs TPG's now....I don't know!

[ullmandds]

I have never used a loupe on ebay before either...most fakes are very easy to deduce. This one looks netter than most...but is still discernible as fake without extra magnification.

I have a friend who is a buyer of gold/silver and stones...and she carries a loupe on her keychain everywhere she goes. I'm considering doing the same...I may have to buy a man purse!

Originally Posted by chernieto

ouch!

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I never used one on ebay before - I admit it. The ability of N54 members to pick out a fake is far greater than the general public's ability.
N54 members vs TPG's now....I don't know!

[Ladder7]

It's not a purse, it's European,

[ullmandds]

Exactly!

Originally Posted by Ladder7

It's not a purse, it's European,

[t206hound]

made it's way to the NBCNews homepage:

http://www.nbcnews.com/

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...rd-200-n204511

[bn2cardz]

Has anyone contacted the seller and asked if he personally made the reprint? I was going to but then realized he may have already had that question many times by now.

[Bpm0014]

My only point was: Had this guy used the same quality reprints, and posted them on the BST board, and listed them for $12, he sells them all day. At first glance it was a pretty good reprint. Only because it was a Wagner did we all look closer.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

My only point was: Had this guy used the same quality reprints, and posted them on the BST board, and listed them for $12, he sells them all day. At first glance it was a pretty good reprint. Only because it was a Wagner did we all look closer.

Maybe he sells them, but when the buyer opens the package they should have some sort of gut feeling, even if it's very tiny, that the item has an issue. They can then magnify it and they will know immediately.

True, for an ebay common you aren't going to question it; however, a seller is also unlikely to create a $12 forgery. We could argue all day about that, but it's my opinion. Also, when you take it out of the package you will notice something amiss, even if it's just a tiny bit of discomfort. At that point you get out the loupe. If you don't, that's your business. In all likelihood it's the only $12 forgery you'll ever buy anyway.

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

My only point was: Had this guy used the same quality reprints, and posted them on the BST board, and listed them for $12, he sells them all day. At first glance it was a pretty good reprint. Only because it was a Wagner did we all look closer.

I was reading through this thread... I'm feelin' a bit bettur taday, I'm able to follow it all the way thru. So, I started ta think that If this Gentleman tried to Sell these Reprints on the BST, Everyone hear would Race to Start a Thread oN "What A Knucklehead" this Gentleman iS! (Then I came across the added quote...)

As fir the quoted text... I do believe that You are am Extreme Optimist!
Most folk here are Well versed... And the ones that aren't, Well... they Truly have the Grand Ability Ask Any & All Questions... Some of these Gals & fellr's are Like Natural Ocean Sponges. They pick Everythin uP Very Quickly!

My next thought was... After All this "PUBLISITY", Will All of the Other Tree~nuts Come Swingin' Out to Claim Their Once iN a Life ~ Time Holy Grail?

Can You Imagine if This Gentlemen's Sales Actually Went uP

As Always my Friends...

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by t206hound

made it's way to the NBCNews homepage:

http://www.nbcnews.com/

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...rd-200-n204511

Lol nbc... Ugh

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by chernieto

ouch!

I never used one on ebay before - I admit it. The ability of N54 members to pick out a fake is far greater than the general public's ability.
N54 members vs TPG's now....I don't know!

I know you guys are all brilliant, but even if you think you have eagle-eyes like Paul's, if you are thinking about buying a valuable card and you have any doubt whatsoever, my own personal opinion is that you should take out your loupe and waste 3 seconds verifying the veracity of your peepers. With lithos it's a very easy test.

I doubt anyone here would buy a Wagner without seeing it in person, so my loupe idea is probably do-able. The guy who won this Wagner obviously didn't have that option, but the card was advertised as a 'reprint'. That was enough for me to move on when I saw the listing - since the scan looked like a real card, I assumed that the seller had printed off a photo of a real Wagner and roughed it up. I still think that's what he did - it would take some work, but it wouldn't be too hard to glue good front and back photos to a thin piece of cardboard and rough it up.

Spending $177 on that card was like buying a lottery ticket for a lottery that was over.