Thanks Adrian!

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Leon

I think he has mental issues and if he got those under control would be a different person. That being said the things he said were enough to get him banned from this forum. They were unacceptable on any level.

This reminds me of the auction description that stated "Smith would have been a superstar if he only could have hit... if he could have boosted his average to the standards of the day, Smith might be remembered as one of the finest to ever play"

Everyone could be better (or worse) if they were different. Yet it is who they are that defines them, not who they could have been "if...".

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

This reminds me of the auction description that stated "Smith would have been a superstar if he only could have hit... if he could have boosted his average to the standards of the day, Smith might be remembered as one of the finest to ever play"

Everyone could be better (or worse) if they were different. Yet it is who they are that defines them, not who they could have been "if...".

I look at medical issues a little different. Maybe you don't and that is fine. Maybe you should have a chat with ole Kanye West too....You guys could be best buds .

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Leon

I look at medical issues a little different. Maybe you don't and that is fine. Maybe you should have a chat with ole Kanye West too....You guys could be best buds .

What does Kanye West have to do with this? He would be a nice guy if he didn't have that mental issue of arrogance, so it sounds to me like you would be better friends with him than I would.


Mental issues still define you. Everyone is defined by their actions and the cause of those actions can always be traced to your mental stability.

Adrian wasn't to the extreme of Charles Manson, but even Charles Manson is known to have a "mental issue", he is a diagnosed Psychopath. Yet most people would not say "I think he has mental issues and if he got those under control would be a different person." Especially in a way to defend him or his actions.

Kleptomaniacs have mental issues that cause them to steal, but if you are the one stolen from does it clear them of the actions because they have "mental issues"? I just don't write off peoples actions as just being a "mental issue", you either have to seek help or be accountable for your actions.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

What does Kanye West have to do with this? He would be a nice guy if he wasn't arrogant
He has a mental issue he admitted to being arrogant.


Mental issues still define you. Everyone is defined by their actions and the cause of those actions can always be traced to your mental stability.

Adrian wasn't to the extreme of Charles Manson, but even Charles Manson is known to have a "mental issue", he is a diagnosed Psychopath. Yet most people would not say "I think he has mental issues and if he got those under control would be a different person." Especially in a way to defend him or his actions.

Kleptomaniacs have mental issues that cause them to steal, but if you are the one stolen from does it clear them of the actions because they have "mental issues"? I just don't write off peoples actions as just being a "mental issue", you either have to seek help or be accountable for your actions.

Yeah, that's it...Charles Manson, great analogy....Couldn't you at least thrown Hitler in there too?

For the record, I also hold people with mental issues accountable too and I think our society lets too many people off the hook because they say they have mental issues. But I don't forget they have them, if they really do. And I think Adrian really does. Even though he does have some issues doesn't mean I look past his actions. He isn't allowed on the forum, right? To each their own though...

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Leon

Yeah, that's it...Charles Manson, great analogy....Couldn't you at least thrown Hitler in there too?

For the record, I also hold people with mental issues accountable too and I think our society lets too many people off the hook because they say they have mental issues. But I don't forget they have them, if they really do. And I think Adrian really does. Even though he does have some issues doesn't mean I look past his actions. He isn't allowed on the forum, right? To each their own though...

In my analogy I pointed to the fact that was an extreme. The point is where does one stop looking at the actions of the person now instead of looking at the "what could have been IF...?" Mental issues or not, his current state have led people to think he is a "bad guy" .

So how do you decide when a guy is bad and when a guy is good that just does bad things because they have a "mental issue"?

Neither you nor I are qualified to diagnosis his mental stability and what caused him to be this way. He can only be judged on his actions, not his cause. No more than I can empathize with Ray Rice even if it is found that he defends his actions because he suffers some "mental issues".

[wolf441]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

This reminds me of the auction description that stated "Smith would have been a superstar if he only could have hit... if he could have boosted his average to the standards of the day, Smith might be remembered as one of the finest to ever play"

Everyone could be better (or worse) if they were different. Yet it is who they are that defines them, not who they could have been "if...".

Exactly. What's that line about if my aunt had a d*ck, she'd be my uncle?!