Any help appreciated in shutting this scumbag down

[danmckee]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...:X:RTQ:US:1123

Not a card by any means

Dan

[wonkaticket]

McKee can you please let my auctions run already...

[cardsfan73]

He has been made aware by several people from net54 that this is cut out and not a card. I think Leon posted a thread about this one the other day. The seller knows it's not a card.

I have reported the listing. Ebay doesn't seem to care as long as they get their cut.

[Leon]

Thanks for being vigilant about this stuff Dan. It never hurts to point out bad stuff to help prevent folks from getting burned. I like the pose anyway...

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by danmckee

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...:X:RTQ:US:1123

Not a card by any means

Dan

"That's your opinion and you're entitled to it"

at least he knows your vs. you're

[bobbyw8469]

Wait a minute. I thought paper cut outs were OK. PSA graded a Nolan Ryan newspaper clipping that brought big money in a Greg Bussineau auction!

[prestigecollectibles]

I sent the seller a message too, that it was not a card and he responded "duly noted"

[EvilKing00]

Though he knows already i sent him an email too

[Kawika]

Originally Posted by danmckee

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...:X:RTQ:US:1123

Not a card by any means

Dan

Dan: Here is a link to the other thread about this bogus POS card wannabe.

Looks like someone is having some fun with the auction. Up to $197.50 with seven minutes left.

[Econteachert205]

220 dollars any thought?

[prestigecollectibles]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

220 dollars any thought?

Yes, someone just got ripped off

[Sean]

$220 for this thing. Unbelievable.

[gregr2]

Out of curiosity, what's it actually worth?

[Kawika]

Originally Posted by gregr2

out of curiosity, what's it actually worth?

sfa

[vthobby]

Actually,

If the winning bidder pays for the item then it has been shown to be worth $220 with over 800 views and lots of bids.

Pretty simple really.

Lots of grumbling but nothing will be done by Ebay and we all know it. Good try anyway by all.

Caveat Emptor.

Peace, mik

[ooo-ribay]

Yet, other pieces of cardboard are "worth" 5, 6, 7 figures. Says who?

If the buyer or whoever thinks something is "worth" whatever.....then it is, to them. As the previous poster said....caveat emptor.

[Eric72]

I don't believe this grading company is mainstream and have never seen anything they have authenticated/slabbed before. Who are they and is this TPG legit?

Best,

Eric

[prestigecollectibles]

This "grading" company doesn't appear to be in business. Actually, you can buy their domain since it is available. psvagraders.com

[cardsfan73]

I don't think the company ever existed.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by cardsfan73

I don't think the company ever existed.

The company existed. They graded the card that just sold. Here is my one item graded by them....

[buymycards]

Hi Bobby, yours is bsva and the item on ebay is psva.

Rick

[bobbyw8469]

But the label is virtually the same down to the style and everything. With the exception of one letter. I wonder if that is the same company with a name change?

[oldirtyfishkilla]

Instead of blaming the seller (who I agree should catch some shrapnel as his response to the "question" is pretty ignorant) why don't we also blame the person or people who buy this stuff?
Due-dilligance really isn't that difficult what with all the research that had gone into card collection. You wanna pay three-figures for something that was cut out of a book? Fine. Same with someone who spends $800.00 on a bottle of wine or an autograph or even just s simple cardboard baseball card.... To some this is "collectible" and obviously they have the income to spend on it.
I've been quite active on another board and people there all the time question why others collect what they do or why they would want a certain piece because it doesn't fit "their idea" of what's collectible. Who cares???
Was the guy misleading in his post or just completely ignorant? Who knows but, as with Ebay, someone will buy it and pay stupidly.

[pbspelly]

These things pop up fairly frequently and are somewhat annoying, since it is distressing to think someone is going through old Spalding guides with a pair of scissors and then calling them "cards." I bought this one recently, with full knowledge of what it was and what it was worth, simply because it was my relative. http://www.ebay.com/itm/351129736021...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
At least the seller's description was quite clear about what it was.

[bobbyw8469]

I have said this before, and noone has acknowledged I even said anything, so I will say it again. PSA graded a NEWSPAPER CLIPPING from a Sporting News of Nolan Ryan. It was graded high and sold for big money in one of the legitimate big time auction houses. Does that get a pass just because the grading leader graded it???? It is still a newspaper cutout!!!! No different than what that seller was selling! Yet, the seller is getting blasted here and nothing is being said about the Nolan Ryan clipping, which is now part of the PSA Nolan Ryan Master Registry!!!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I have said this before, and noone has acknowledged I even said anything, so I will say it again. PSA graded a NEWSPAPER CLIPPING from a Sporting News of Nolan Ryan. It was graded high and sold for big money in one of the legitimate big time auction houses. Does that get a pass just because the grading leader graded it???? It is still a newspaper cutout!!!! No different than what that seller was selling! Yet, the seller is getting blasted here and nothing is being said about the Nolan Ryan clipping, which is now part of the PSA Nolan Ryan Master Registry!!!

Do you have a scan of the graded "card"? I would like to see the holder etc.....

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Leon

Do you have a scan of the graded "card"? I would like to see the holder etc.....

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Leon

Do you have a scan of the graded "card"? I would like to see the holder etc.....

The cutout was discussed in this thread:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=179111

[Leon]

Thanks for the scans. At least they put "Hand Cut" on it. I would prefer it to say "Hand Cut Clipping"....but that is probably a pipe dream. As long as folks know what they are buying, and it's advertised honestly, then so be it. No issue here. As said before, it's the lack of transparency and BS that doesn't make some auctions smell good.

[barrysloate]

There are many things about third party grading I don't like, but I can't think of anything more objectionable than that slabbed Nolan Ryan newspaper cut. It makes the Ty Cobb look like a rare artifact in comparison.

Shame on a grading service (assuming they have any shame) for actually slabbing a cutout from a newspaper. I don't care what the label reads or how much transparency there is, it still sucks.

Oh wait, there was a ten dollar bill in it for them. Now I see why they did it.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

There are many things about third party grading I don't like, but I can't think of anything more objectionable than that slabbed Nolan Ryan newspaper cut. It makes the Ty Cobb look like a rare artifact in comparison.

Shame on a grading service (assuming they have any shame) for actually slabbing a cutout from a newspaper. I don't care what the label reads or how much transparency there is, it still sucks.

Oh wait, there was a ten dollar bill in it for them. Now I see why they did it.

I don't blame them for taking the $10 bill if someone, with full information, wants to give it to them. That's business. No issue at all...as a matter of fact, they should be congratulated, imo. That there is capitalism hard at work. (sarcasm intended)

[Econteachert205]

There are several things to consider here for me:

1. Does the prospect of novice collectors getting ripped off bother the hobby enough to take a real stand on some sort of real grading by-laws or legislation which would probably raise prices and lead to its own unintended consequences

2. What does merit grading and where does a line get drawn

3. Who should decide the answers to 1 & 2

IMO The Cobb is less ridiculous than the Ryan, but both are bad

[clydepepper]

At least we aren't getting so lathered up about a comic book...now, that would be a waste of time, huh?

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by Leon

I don't blame them for taking the $10 bill if someone, with full information, wants to give it to them. That's business. No issue at all...as a matter of fact, they should be congratulated, imo. That there is capitalism hard at work. (sarcasm intended)

Tawdry garbage....and capitalism can go haywire sometimes (is this another topic for us to disagree?)

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

There are many things about third party grading I don't like, but I can't think of anything more objectionable than that slabbed Nolan Ryan newspaper cut. It makes the Ty Cobb look like a rare artifact in comparison.

Shame on a grading service (assuming they have any shame) for actually slabbing a cutout from a newspaper. I don't care what the label reads or how much transparency there is, it still sucks.

Oh wait, there was a ten dollar bill in it for them. Now I see why they did it.

Is it that much different from the Oklahoma Today Mantle which is a cutout from a magazine page?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Tawdry garbage....and capitalism can go haywire sometimes (is this another topic for us to disagree?)

One mans garbage.... Yes, probably best to get back to the relative safe haven of cards.

[batsballsbases]

Leon,
I hear that these babies are now going to be slabbed! Ah capitalism at its best!

[barrysloate]

It's a deal.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by batsballsbases

Leon,
I hear that these babies are now going to be slabbed! Ah capitalism at its best!

I know Al, I know. When I said what I did I knew it would raise some ire. I have mixed feelings about the whole cut outs thing. Probably not the best for the hobby but who is to say? Again, as long whatever is being done is very open and transparent, and not against the law, I don't really care that much. There are too many other things to worry about, to worry about this .

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by Leon

I know Al, I know. When I said I what I did I knew it would raise some ire. I have mixed feelings about the whole cut outs thing. Probably not the best for the hobby but who is to say? Again, as long whatever is being done is very open and transparent, and not against the law, I don't really care that much. There are too many other things to worry about, to worry about this .

Leon,
you are absolutely correct my friend! Just thought I would throw a little Net54 humor out there and lighten up some of our nut squeezers!

[EvilKing00]

omg crazy - I have 2 of these, lmao anyone interested :P

Originally Posted by vtgmsc

Actually,

If the winning bidder pays for the item then it has been shown to be worth $220 with over 800 views and lots of bids.

Pretty simple really.

Lots of grumbling but nothing will be done by Ebay and we all know it. Good try anyway by all.

Caveat Emptor.

Peace, mik

[Tao_Moko]

Not "rare" or a "card" by my definition. That being said.......It is also not a fantasy piece because it's from a period publication. I believe it has value and could be worth $5-20 bucks. I'd pay $5 just for a display if I collected the subject. Buyers have to educate themselves at the end of the day.

[gregr2]

Originally Posted by Kawika

sfa

What does sfa mean?

[Runscott]

....

[HerbK]

sfa = sweet fuck all

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by batsballsbases

Leon,
I hear that these babies are now going to be slabbed! Ah capitalism at its best!

Al,

I just sent this in to get graded recently and it came back a 3 due to the rounded corners!

darn!

Peace, Mik

[pawpawdiv9]

PWCC is selling a UNGRADED version of the 66 Sporting News Nolan Ryan Starts Sept 2nd
Claiming NM-MT, but no description or anything saying Hand-Cut other than saying RC.
http://www.pwccauctions.com/item.php?item_no=1030493

[bobbyw8469]

To me that is a crock.....I wonder why that wasn't sent in for grading?? Did PSA finally come to their senses and stop grading that stupid POS clipping??