N175 Goodwin and Company Gypsy Queen packs, cartons, cards etc....

[canjond]

Here's my countertop display, which is similar to Leon's. I had a second (similar) carton at one time, too, but ended up selling it a while back.

[1880nonsports]

pretty clean shown below. Wish I had a pack to go with it....
I agree that the ancillary peripherals like packs and cartons and advertising pieces are more scarce and elusive. What makes the GQ cartons so special is the graphics.
Along the same lines - what was in the OJ carton as far as cards? I have a "show card" (often called a store card) featuring the box and an 1880's copyright.

[kkkkandp]

I am very jealous of all your counter display owners. They are spectacular.

All I have (other than my Old Judge cards) is one cigarette pack, an advertising head, and an ornate, letter-sized Old Judge envelope.

[1880nonsports]

is the soldier with #7 - I have a couple I would trade 2 for 1...........

[jerrys]

I hoped that someone would have commented on my earlier post.

Nine years ago I wrote an article on early cigarette packs; it was published by SCD. The text in the article was slightly modified but the pictures that were set in position to show the reader the relationship between a pack and a card were reduced to a meaningless collage.

http://js-gallery.net/scd3-05.htm

This was the original submission:

http://js-gallery.net/packs.htm

As shown the N175 was attributed to the early GQ pack but after publication I received slight criticism for my assumption and advised that that pack was produced earlier than the cards. I am still without proof of a date.

[Leon]

Jerry
I don't think your links are working? I have never seen proof of dating of the cartons but the overprint on my pack points to 1887. I assume the white carton is from that year too. With no proof of a card inside a pack I have just thought the ornate one would go better with the N162s and the white looking one with N175s. I would like to eventually see some definitive proof and hopefully some day we will find it.

[Joe_G.]

Leon, the links seem to work for me.

Jerry, thanks for posting your research, I find it very interesting. We do know that the N175s were issued in 1887, likely later in the year while N162s are certainly an 1888 issue. Leon's overprint dates his pack very close to, if not within, the N175 run. The same pack could have continued into 1888 when the N162s were issued. I hope more details surface with time but lean towards thinking N175s were distributed in the pack with the overprint. Jerry, have you been able to study overprint(s) on the ornate GQ packs?