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08-04-2014, 04:32 PM
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hey guys...
sorry late to the party!!! all tpg are very suspect of missing names.....not sure if sgc even grades then anymore! last one I bought off ebay came back as "erasure" and I returned it....
if this gets a slab it would be a hot card, but that the tuf part.... it has enough real estate to be a true" no name".....which, inmho, needs more than the average space under the border to have received the strike.... in essence, a true no name has to have plenty of bottom border like your card... I own at least 3 "true no name" but they are all printers scrap and never received the strike(Chance, Abbott, Mcginnley off the top of my head)...a true no name factory cut card are EXTREMELY rare....one of the only ones iv seen is sean's unglaub in the GIA holder AND THE ONE ON t206 MUSEUM..... if you get it slabbed....JACK POT 
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i totally agree...and here's the thing that dumbfounds me...SGC will not grade this card...period! They will not even grade it Authentic...which I think is absolutely ridiculous! Earl called me...which I greatly appreciated...but he could not give me a solid reason why they would not grade it...other than the fact that most no name cards are not authentic. Reminds me of Fro Joys...just because there are a lot of fakes...all are punished. PSA has stated they will not slab it "no name" but I have a feeling they will in fact assign it a grade. Last edited by ullmandds; 08-13-2014 at 06:06 AM.
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Posts crossed, last post question answered. That's not too bad, they give a numerical grade which is their opinion that it's not altered.
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08-13-2014, 08:26 AM
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Scott!!
it is complicated.....as Erick stated........I own(mcginnley, abbott, chance, and knight)..... 4 separate printers scraps with legit "no names".....some did receive the third stage of brown printing....some did not...really wild!
factory issued T206 "no names" are extremely rare, and extremely hard to prove.....that's why tpg's will not touch them with a 12 foot pole! leaves them up to too much liability.... the truth is, some forgeries with no name T206 are tough to disprove......the only way to determine is: smell it, taste it(yes sounds weird), put the black light on it, measure the caption field, and have it reviewed by the veterans.....even then it will always be suspect unfortunately... sad for pete, cause his card may actually be the yeti 
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Using the example of the one at the top right, the 'no name' has less brown than the 'with name' to the right of it. Johnny - thanks for the explanation. Pete's card does appear to be 'too complete', as the previous poster noted, but to me this should be simple to figure out. Get a high-power magnifier and check out the area - there will almost certainly be evidence, or lack thereof. Cycleback - thoughts?
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08-13-2014, 12:21 PM
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I don't know how they did it with the T206s and haven't looked into it, but in some prints the black text is printed from its own, separate printing plate. I had Topps complete progression proofs for 1970s cards that showed they at least sometimes printed the text from its own printing plate. Progression proofs were a pre-final printing quaiity control series of card sheets, each sheet printed from a different combination of printing plates (yellow/blue plates, magenta/yellow plates, just yellow, just blue, just black, etc). Printers did this to make sure the printing aligned and the colors looked right before printing off the 10,000 or whatever finished cards. The proofs clearly showed the individual plates they used and, at least for the proofs I had, the front black text came from its own printing plate-- even separate from the other black parts (black outline around player's picture and black details in picture). One proof would have all the colors, including black, but wouldn't have the text. Another proof would have just the black border design and black details in the player's picture, again without the text. So the idea that just the text can legitimately be missing from a card is theoretically possible.
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08-13-2014, 12:53 PM
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I'd like to see the high res scans. Too bad they're limited here.
I do think that card has enough lower border to have a shot at being real. A really close examination of that area should show if there's anything odd about the surface. Interestingly, over in the postwar side one of the guys has demonstrated selectively fading a card with a method that leaves no obvious traces . It makes me wonder if it's possible with the brown on a T206 as it's dependent on the ink. Some fade more easily than others. From the sun faded cards I have I'd think not. This is as close as I've come to a no name. Combination of a miscut and a downward shift of the brown that made the caption low enough to be "missing". It's actually there, but just the barest hint of the tops of two letters. Steve B
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