T206 Titus and Bliss *cancelled*

Sean1125 · #1 07-24-2014, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by z28jd

Hopefully Leon sees this. I have no problem with him saying it's a rookie mistake and taking the cards back because of how much he would have lost, but he shouldn't be allowed to use the BST anymore. At least for a certain amount of time, since he did back out on a deal. Seems like a fair trade-off though. He keeps a pricey card, but as a new board member, he has a quick strike and without a track record, he should be done selling(personally I'd go for a certain time period while he can build up trust)

I think the strike should be on the members who fail to inform someone they are asking 10-20% of the value of something. I guess I hold the members of the board in a bit higher regard than I should? But alas, I am a broker and I do not not know what the word "fair" means according to some people.

pgellis · #2 07-24-2014, 10:56 AM

Geez, I wonder who bought it behind the scenes

Sean1125 · #3 07-24-2014, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by pgellis

Geez, I wonder who bought it behind the scenes

Me too, it wasn't me.

slipk1068 · #4 07-24-2014, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean1125

I think the strike should be on the members who fail to inform someone they are asking 10-20% of the value of something. I guess I hold the members of the board in a bit higher regard than I should? But alas, I am a broker and I do not not know what the word "fair" means according to some people.

+1

It's like many years ago a 12 year old kid purchased a mint 68 Nolan Ryan for $16 from a card store. The card was marked $1600. The kid knew this. He took advantage when the owner had his mom or someone watching the store. She knew nothing and thought the 1600 read 16.00.

I say he stole the card. I guess some of you see it as he got a good deal.

pgellis · #5 07-24-2014, 11:10 AM

So is it still available or did you decide to keep it?

Louieman · #6 07-24-2014, 11:14 AM

No I'm going to keep it for now and try to sell it once I'm more versed on this stuff

gregr2 · #7 07-24-2014, 11:15 AM

I'm curious as to how you came about it...

usernamealreadytaken · #8 07-24-2014, 11:42 AM

There is good authority for those sticking up for the seller - it appears that he was unaware of his mistake as to value (approx. 1/10th) and pretty much any collector who would purchase knew or should have known of his mistake.

That said, I would be PISSED if someone posted a 1914 Cracker Jack Pratt for $300 and then avoided the deal because they didn't realize what they had . . . So it goes . . .

pgellis · #9 07-24-2014, 11:45 AM

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Mountaineer1999 · #10 07-24-2014, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pgellis

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Once any transaction is completed in the Buy/Sell/Trade areas, or over with, that transaction shouldn�t be deleted. Specific pricing, or confidential information may be removed but the other information should stay. Items should be consolidated in the BST area, into one thread, when appropriate. In other words don�t list more than a few similar items in single threads, in the same BST area, at once. IF you do this, they will most likely be deleted and asked to be posted again in a consolidated fashion. You should not bump a BST thread to the top very often (every 3-4 days at most) as it is discourteous to other posters.

Rules are rules I suppose, but sometimes we have to empathize with the other person don't we?

Maybe the solution is to have a little more fair deal struck between the first two parties. Not market value but also not dirt cheap. Lets say 50% of the card value instead of 10%.
If I would have been the seller I would be sick about it and would try to work something out, if I couldn't work anything out I would go ahead with the sell as promised.
But if I were the buyer, I think I would understand the position of the seller and make some concessions. Maybe $200, that feels about right.

Just my 2-cents.

freakhappy · #11 07-24-2014, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean1125

I think the strike should be on the members who fail to inform someone they are asking 10-20% of the value of something. I guess I hold the members of the board in a bit higher regard than I should? But alas, I am a broker and I do not not know what the word "fair" means according to some people.

Well said, Sean.

Even though the rules (thanks Phil) state that no one should interfere in a transaction like so, I have no doubt that more than a handful of people would instead PM or email the seller about giving this card away...or at least I hope they would. I believe there are some unwritten rules when it comes to card collecting/selling...at least I believe there is.

I know the seller obligated himself by listing this card for a certain price, but I think it was an opportunity to help him out and not take him to the shed on the sale. I'd say he understands what happened here and won't make the same mistake again...hopefully.

z28jd · #12 07-24-2014, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean1125

I think the strike should be on the members who fail to inform someone they are asking 10-20% of the value of something. I guess I hold the members of the board in a bit higher regard than I should? But alas, I am a broker and I do not not know what the word "fair" means according to some people.

How do you know people didn't inform him via PM? I've done that before on here for cards that were still for sale at least 4-5 times, but never for something that sold, because then you're interfering in a transaction. As someone pointed out, that's a main rule for the BST.

Looks like the card was sold within five minutes of it being listed, and since it was listed at 2am EST, I'm not sure how many people you would expect to give him a heads up in under five minutes at a crazy hour?

As far as learning his lesson, he did, he still has the card and will get a fair price. That shouldn't change the fact that he's a new board member with no selling track record and shouldn't be allowed to sell after backing out on a deal. I think there should be a good time limit set on when you can START selling on the board, which would give people time to learn things like this and give others a chance to trust them.

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