T206 Titus and Bliss *cancelled*

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

The seller withdrew the offer, so it goes. Reneged is another word, but it was probably a deal too good to be true.

For those who responded to the OP, that's cool, but I hope you consider your motives. Was it just because you missed out? I remember earlier this year there was a lot of Obaks posted here that were literally a couple of bucks each and TONS of competition for it but the seller ended up honoring his original price.

One of the reasons we collect is to get a good buy now and then...one on the order of 10-25% of the value of the card. It is not only reasonable but probably necessary because the course of the the hobby is that you will overpay for some things. When you spend a lot of time scouring boards, the reward for it is that sometimes you are first in and you offer a seller a price that he set that is too low.

Hopefully Leon sees this. I have no problem with him saying it's a rookie mistake and taking the cards back because of how much he would have lost, but he shouldn't be allowed to use the BST anymore. At least for a certain amount of time, since he did back out on a deal. Seems like a fair trade-off though. He keeps a pricey card, but as a new board member, he has a quick strike and without a track record, he should be done selling(personally I'd go for a certain time period while he can build up trust)

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by z28jd

Hopefully Leon sees this. I have no problem with him saying it's a rookie mistake and taking the cards back because of how much he would have lost, but he shouldn't be allowed to use the BST anymore. At least for a certain amount of time, since he did back out on a deal. Seems like a fair trade-off though. He keeps a pricey card, but as a new board member, he has a quick strike and without a track record, he should be done selling(personally I'd go for a certain time period while he can build up trust)

I think the strike should be on the members who fail to inform someone they are asking 10-20% of the value of something. I guess I hold the members of the board in a bit higher regard than I should? But alas, I am a broker and I do not not know what the word "fair" means according to some people.

[pgellis]

Geez, I wonder who bought it behind the scenes

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by pgellis

Geez, I wonder who bought it behind the scenes

Me too, it wasn't me.

[slipk1068]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

I think the strike should be on the members who fail to inform someone they are asking 10-20% of the value of something. I guess I hold the members of the board in a bit higher regard than I should? But alas, I am a broker and I do not not know what the word "fair" means according to some people.

+1

It's like many years ago a 12 year old kid purchased a mint 68 Nolan Ryan for $16 from a card store. The card was marked $1600. The kid knew this. He took advantage when the owner had his mom or someone watching the store. She knew nothing and thought the 1600 read 16.00.

I say he stole the card. I guess some of you see it as he got a good deal.

[pgellis]

So is it still available or did you decide to keep it?

[Louieman]

No I'm going to keep it for now and try to sell it once I'm more versed on this stuff

[gregr2]

I'm curious as to how you came about it...

[usernamealreadytaken]

There is good authority for those sticking up for the seller - it appears that he was unaware of his mistake as to value (approx. 1/10th) and pretty much any collector who would purchase knew or should have known of his mistake.

That said, I would be PISSED if someone posted a 1914 Cracker Jack Pratt for $300 and then avoided the deal because they didn't realize what they had . . . So it goes . . .

[pgellis]

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[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

I think the strike should be on the members who fail to inform someone they are asking 10-20% of the value of something. I guess I hold the members of the board in a bit higher regard than I should? But alas, I am a broker and I do not not know what the word "fair" means according to some people.

Well said, Sean.

Even though the rules (thanks Phil) state that no one should interfere in a transaction like so, I have no doubt that more than a handful of people would instead PM or email the seller about giving this card away...or at least I hope they would. I believe there are some unwritten rules when it comes to card collecting/selling...at least I believe there is.

I know the seller obligated himself by listing this card for a certain price, but I think it was an opportunity to help him out and not take him to the shed on the sale. I'd say he understands what happened here and won't make the same mistake again...hopefully.

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

I think the strike should be on the members who fail to inform someone they are asking 10-20% of the value of something. I guess I hold the members of the board in a bit higher regard than I should? But alas, I am a broker and I do not not know what the word "fair" means according to some people.

How do you know people didn't inform him via PM? I've done that before on here for cards that were still for sale at least 4-5 times, but never for something that sold, because then you're interfering in a transaction. As someone pointed out, that's a main rule for the BST.

Looks like the card was sold within five minutes of it being listed, and since it was listed at 2am EST, I'm not sure how many people you would expect to give him a heads up in under five minutes at a crazy hour?

As far as learning his lesson, he did, he still has the card and will get a fair price. That shouldn't change the fact that he's a new board member with no selling track record and shouldn't be allowed to sell after backing out on a deal. I think there should be a good time limit set on when you can START selling on the board, which would give people time to learn things like this and give others a chance to trust them.

[Louieman]

Ill take that. If I need to be exiled from the bst board for a while, that's fine. It really was a rookie mistake...I simply didn't know what I was getting into. I can just stick to posting in the main board and pm's for a while...sorry again...and ill try to edit the title

[Bestdj777]

The guy shouldn't be banned from the BST. It is not like he knew what he had and backed out of a deal. He had no clue what he had. We are a card collecting community on this board. We shouldn't be trying to force someone to take a $400 loss on this card. When he posted it, we should simply explain the mistake to him, educate him about the demand for the card, and give him the opportunity to list it at a fair price. The fact that someone said "I'll take it" before Sean mentioned the price shouldn't alter the analysis. And, I don't blame the person for saying I will take it but no one should expect or actually want the member to sell it at that price. If any of us made a mistake in a listing on here, we would want someone to notify us about it.

The amazing deals that are out there are one of the great things about collecting, but this isn't eBay or a fleemarket.

Just my two cents.

[scooter729]

+1 - well said. This is supposed to be a place to gain knowledge. We'd all like to make a good deal, but let's not pilfer from a community member who didn't know what he had.

Originally Posted by Bestdj777

The guy shouldn't be banned from the BST. It is not like he knew what he had and backed out of a deal. He had no clue what he had. We are a card collecting community on this board. We shouldn't be trying to force someone to take a $400 loss on this card. When he posted it, we should simply explain the mistake to him, educate him about the demand for the card, and give him the opportunity to list it at a fair price. The fact that someone said "I'll take it" before Sean mentioned the price shouldn't alter the analysis. And, I don't blame the person for saying I will take it but no one should expect or actually want the member to sell it at that price. If any of us made a mistake in a listing on here, we would want someone to notify us about it.

The amazing deals that are out there are one of the great things about collecting, but this isn't eBay or a fleemarket.

Just my two cents.

[veleno45]

Originally Posted by Bestdj777

The guy shouldn't be banned from the BST. It is not like he knew what he had and backed out of a deal. He had no clue what he had. We are a card collecting community on this board. We shouldn't be trying to force someone to take a $400 loss on this card. When he posted it, we should simply explain the mistake to him, educate him about the demand for the card, and give him the opportunity to list it at a fair price. The fact that someone said "I'll take it" before Sean mentioned the price shouldn't alter the analysis. And, I don't blame the person for saying I will take it but no one should expect or actually want the member to sell it at that price. If any of us made a mistake in a listing on here, we would want someone to notify us about it.

The amazing deals that are out there are one of the great things about collecting, but this isn't eBay or a fleemarket.

Just my two cents.

I agree completely.

[CMIZ5290]

I still have a PSA 6 Titus available for sale or trade....Thanks

[ZachS]

Originally Posted by Bestdj777

The guy shouldn't be banned from the BST. It is not like he knew what he had and backed out of a deal. He had no clue what he had. We are a card collecting community on this board. We shouldn't be trying to force someone to take a $400 loss on this card. When he posted it, we should simply explain the mistake to him, educate him about the demand for the card, and give him the opportunity to list it at a fair price. The fact that someone said "I'll take it" before Sean mentioned the price shouldn't alter the analysis. And, I don't blame the person for saying I will take it but no one should expect or actually want the member to sell it at that price. If any of us made a mistake in a listing on here, we would want someone to notify us about it.

The amazing deals that are out there are one of the great things about collecting, but this isn't eBay or a fleemarket.

Just my two cents.

Completely agree with this post.