Ruth can do the impossible!

[Nyygameused]

Originally Posted by Runscott

GUU? Now that is really funny. I posted over there maybe 5-10 times and got almost ZERO response to any of my questions. A couple of guys did respond, and a couple also took snipes at me because I accidentally made a mistake or two. Do you think I responded by telling them how famous I was on Net54 (not that I am) as an excuse for behaving in a manner that they considered odd or inappropriate?

If my head was in the sand we'd be bumping noses ('sand' being a euphemism for something a bit more odiferous).

Since you guys seem to want to sling mud at anyone and everyone you guys perceive as a scammer, how else does one prove he's up to par with you guys? I never claimed to be "famous" guy so I don't know where that is coming from. I'm glad I didn't have to post what I really wanted to post instead of sand for you to get it. Great job great Scott

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Nyygameused

Since you guys seem to want to sling mud at anyone and everyone you guys perceive as a scammer, how else does one prove he's up to par with you guys? I never claimed to be "famous" guy so I don't know where that is coming from. I'm glad I didn't have to post what I really wanted to post instead of sand for you to get it. Great job great Scott

Actually, I just go by Scott. Settle down, read a little more and spend a little less time getting your cockles up, and you won't need to have such a defensive attitude. But you've already let us know that you don't give a flip what anyone here thinks, except perhaps the other Scott. If that's the way you want to play things, then enjoy a ride that will probably be less than it could have been.

[Nyygameused]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Actually, I just go by Scott. Settle down, read a little more and spend a little less time getting your cockles up, and you won't need to have such a defensive attitude. But you've already let us know that you don't give a flip what anyone here thinks, except perhaps the other Scott. If that's the way you want to play things, then enjoy a ride that will probably be less than it could have been.

I have respect for everyone on this forum because I know there is a plethora of knowledge on this site, I've stated this before during my short 30 or less posts now. Would you like to be disrespected and called a scammer knowing how much you and I seem to both love and respect this hobby? If you accuse someone of a crime, wouldn't you expect an innocent person or shout from the mountain tops?

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by Nyygameused

I have respect for everyone on this forum because I know there is a plethora of knowledge on this site, I've stated this before during my short 30 or less posts now. Would you like to be disrespected and called a scammer knowing how much you and I seem to both love and respect this hobby? If you accuse someone of a crime, wouldn't you expect an innocent person or shout from the mountain tops?

Just take a deep breath, and reboot. Maybe an introductory post on the main board to start over.

And don't answer an innocent question like you're John Gotti Jr getting denied entry to a club. "Do you know who I am?!?!"

[Nyygameused]

While some of you may not respect he credibility of the site I'm coming from it does not take away from the fact that I'm not new to this hobby. I'm just new to this area, and that's why I was deferring to the knowledge on the board. I'm extremely disappointed with this thread but then again who am I right? Truly unfortunate

[JT]

Well, personally, I thank you for the warning concerning the Ruth copies.

Welcome aboard.

[Nyygameused]

Originally Posted by JT

Well, personally, I thank you for the warning concerning the Ruth copies.

Welcome aboard.

That's all I intended to do, thanks JT.

[Lordstan]

Carmelo,
Nobody accused you of a crime. Reread posts 13, 14, and 15. The three of us suggested that you introduce yourself, because when an anonymous person posts multiple suspicious Ruth signatures it makes us suspicious of them. We don't know you, so we are left to our imaginations. You responded to this perceived insult by hostility which was returned in kind.

Perhaps if you had started with...
Hi all, my name's Carmelo and I'm new here. I came over from GUU as I am starting to look at getting into vintage autos and such. I was looking for Ruth items and came across a couple of weird autos. First one that sold on ebay last month is (inset link and photo) Then I found this (inset link and photo) on the sports collectors daily site. They look identical to me. Any help would be appreciated.

That is a good new member first post asking for help. Some of the same stuff you said, but you left out the name, etc.

Additionally, even if you had posted the initial posts the way you did, if, in post 19, you had said something like...
Well, my name is carmelo and I came over from GUU(insert ID). Been a member over there for about 5yrs and am looking to move into older autographed type stuff. I found them here (insert link) and they looked very strange to me, so I thought I would ask.

Now you said some of the same things, but in a much more defensive way.

The point that we are trying to make to you is that we don't know you, your level of expertise, or your level of passion and respect for the hobby. If you don't introduce yourself, how could we?

What you will find here is that the forgers and scammers that are ruining our hobby really really really piss us off. If someone comes on here and acts in a way that could be suspicious, we will attempt to uncover the truth. Sometimes, that process isn't pretty. The unfortunate truth is that we have had our share of scammers come on and do exactly what you did and then it becomes clear they they were the forger.

Edit: I see that as I was writing this Jim had stepped in and wrote basically what I was trying to say. Not trying to beat up on anyone.

[Nyygameused]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

Carmelo,
Nobody accused you of a crime. Reread posts 13, 14, and 15. The three of us suggested that you introduce yourself, because when an anonymous person posts multiple suspicious Ruth signatures it makes us suspicious of them. We don't know you, so we are left to our imaginations. You responded to this perceived insult by hostility which was returned in kind.

Perhaps if you had started with...
Hi all, my name's Carmelo and I'm new here. I came over from GUU as I am starting to look at getting into vintage autos and such. I was looking for Ruth items and came across a couple of weird autos. First one that sold on ebay last month is (inset link and photo) Then I found this (inset link and photo) on the sports collectors daily site. They look identical to me. Any help would be appreciated.

That is a good new member first post asking for help. Some of the same stuff you said, but you left out the name, etc.

Additionally, even if you had posted the initial posts the way you did, if, in post 19, you had said something like...
Well, my name is carmelo and I came over from GUU(insert ID). Been a member over there for about 5yrs and am looking to move into older autographed type stuff. I found them here (insert link) and they looked very strange to me, so I thought I would ask.

Now you said some of the same things, but in a much more defensive way.

The point that we are trying to make to you is that we don't know you, your level of expertise, or your level of passion and respect for the hobby. If you don't introduce yourself, how could we?

What you will find here is that the forgers and scammers that are ruining our hobby really really really piss us off. If someone comes on here and acts in a way that could be suspicious, we will attempt to uncover the truth. Sometimes, that process isn't pretty. The unfortunate truth is that we have had our share of scammers come on and do exactly what you did and then it becomes clear they they were the forger.

Mark I don't know you at all but all I know is that your posts have restored my faith in this forum in the middle of all this madness.

We all aren't the same, I'm a 100% legit guy who responds very aggressively when attacked. But then again I would want to oust anyone looking to scam me or anyone else in my area of expertise (modern era yankees). So I get it, I just was not ready to be on the receiving end

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by Nyygameused

Mark I don't know you at all but all I know is that your posts have restored my faith in this forum in the middle of all this madness.

We all aren't the same, I'm a 100% legit guy who responds very aggressively when attacked. But then again I would want to oust anyone looking to scam me or anyone else in my area of expertise (modern era yankees). So I get it, I just was not ready to be on the receiving end

Glad I could help.
As has been said by Scott and Jim. Take deep breath and relax. Read more and you will learn some of the personalities on the board.

And to be clear. This site isn't full of scammers. Unfortunately, it appears more than previous, we have had our share attempt to come on board under the guise of innocent collectors who want our help. The same vigilance of the membership, that you experienced, usually exposes them pretty quickly.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Nyygameused

I have respect for everyone on this forum because I know there is a plethora of knowledge on this site, I've stated this before during my short 30 or less posts now. Would you like to be disrespected and called a scammer knowing how much you and I seem to both love and respect this hobby? If you accuse someone of a crime, wouldn't you expect an innocent person or shout from the mountain tops?

No one called you a scammer or accused you of a crime.

Originally Posted by Nyygameused

While some of you may not respect he credibility of the site I'm coming from it does not take away from the fact that I'm not new to this hobby. I'm just new to this area, and that's why I was deferring to the knowledge on the board. I'm extremely disappointed with this thread but then again who am I right? Truly unfortunate

No one (from what I can tell) does not respect GUU. They are not nearly as welcoming toward new guys as we are - as I stated earlier, they largely ignore them unless they are purchasing something, and they also aren't as protective when it comes to forgeries, since they don't have to be - there isn't a modern autograph that comes close to the value of a Babe Ruth. So you are an unknown new guy, posting Babe Ruth forgeries, which we are sensitive about. I could see how you might feel more comfortable if we treated you from the outset as if you were a well-respected member of another forum, even if we didn't know that, but it's weird to me that you can't see why your posts have raised some eyebrows over here. Despite that, no one called you a scammer or a criminal.

If it makes you feel better, I'll go over to GUU with my 24-post count and respond to one of your threads. You can then either ignore me as everyone else will, or slap me around a bit.

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by Runscott

slap me around a bit.

Can anyone play?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

Can anyone play?

sure, but you have to have a GUU i.d., and you have to figure out what mine is. It isn't 'runscott'. We could do what the PSA forum guys used to do: when one of them would get banned, they would come over here and continue their fight - 2 guys with under-10 post count fighting about PSA-slabbed 1990's cards over in the main forum.

Hmmm....You and me with 20 or so posts, arguing about a Babe Ruth autograph over there....let's do it.

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by Runscott

sure, but you have to have a GUU i.d., and you have to figure out what mine is. It isn't 'runscott'. We could do what the PSA forum guys used to do: when one of them would get banned, they would come over here and continue their fight - 2 guys with under-10 post count fighting about PSA-slabbed 1990's cards over in the main forum.

Hmmm....You and me with 20 or so posts, arguing about a Babe Ruth autograph over there....let's do it.

Can I play the bad guy?

[Runscott]

I should add that I am very impressed with the way Ken attempts to photo-match game-used stuff. That's something that all hobbyists should be demanding, and it's something that actually could easily be done for every single game-used item that is sold. As I associate that forum more with Ken than anyone else, I obviously have respect for it.

[Nyygameused]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I should add that I am very impressed with the way Ken attempts to photo-match game-used stuff. That's something that all hobbyists should be demanding, and it's something that actually could easily be done for every single game-used item that is sold. As I associate that forum more with Ken than anyone else, I obviously have respect for it.

Ok guys, maybe we should start anew, I've introduced myself and still am learning how to navigate this forum. I'm honestly looking to add a few authentic ruth items to my collection and seem to be uncovering an underworld that has 50+ Years for me to catch up on. I hope the first 20 or so posts on this thread can educate someone down the road

[Runscott]

The Ruth underworld is huge - it's much worse than I could ever have dreamed when I first started my search. It took me a couple of years of intense studying and research before I finally pulled the trigger on one. What I eventually decided was that, while most forgers are not great, there are some that are so good that I could not purchase a Ruth autograph simply based on the signature. When I was ready to pull the trigger on a typed letter on Ruth letterhead, I compared the type fonts of the letterhead and the typewritten letter, to other examples from the period, and didn't bid because of minuscule differences that probably didn't even exist. No cuts for me, no baseballs, no photos, and certainly no '33 Goudeys. But when I finally did acquire one, I was very confident.

Now I'm going through the same ordeal with Lou Gehrig, and I've even passed on examples that were priced right and had the go-ahead from two highly-respected experts on this forum. I think there are a lot of guys here who go about it the same way I do, so we are very protective of the hobby, and probably over-cynical when it comes to posts about the uber-autos.

You would be surprised how many fake Ruths are proudly posted here by new owners, and I bite my lip and do not respond. I've sent a few PM's instead, and gotten my ass chewed. It's a very sensitive subject.

[Lordstan]

You don't have to prove you're on par. People on this forum run the gamut from beginner to someone with one of the most advanced collections around. It's about transparency. People want to know who they are talking to. Post your name under your id would be a good start. Scammers don't typically want people to know who they are. Those who want to be part of the board and contribute aren't afraid to be known.

[Nyygameused]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

You don't have to prove you're on par. People on this forum run the gamut from beginner to someone with one of the most advanced collections around. It's about transparency. People want to know who they are talking to. Post your name under your id would be a good start. Scammers don't typically want people to know who they are. Those who want to be part of the board and contribute aren't afraid to be known.

Mark if nothing else, you have the utmost respect from a young collector. I don't have 10, 20 years in this hobby and joined this site because a moderator told me I should after contacting them after a purchase on ebay. I never understood the "drama" we encounter on these forums but now I see it seems to be inevitable. As people seem to treat "a newbie" as either completely new to the hobby or some kind of stealth scammer.