Ruth can do the impossible!

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

This is getting a little stupid.
Some idiot is just taking a signature and attempting to paste it on old paper. It is the exact same signature. Anyone who would fall for this is a moron.
Being a new member, perhaps the OP should introduce him/herself to everyone, because pretty soon people are going to start thinking that they're the one doing it at home and then showing to us to see if we approve.

Yes, but there are plenty of morons buying such stuff. If a forgery dealer could work his way into the 'almost a moron' group of buyers by learning more from members here, I'm sure he would do so. As you say, the OP just needs to do what everyone else here does: introduce himself, understanding how this might look to us, given that his approach so far has been almost identical to what the scammers here have tried. Not saying it's quacking exactly like a duck...

It's appropriate that you mention "introducing". Once I see a person's name posted, I feel more comfortable about them. Months-years of interaction add to that. Then when I see their picture the comfort level rises a little more. And finally we meet each other, and they could probably be crooked as hell, but I'd trust them much more than someone who is brand new on the internet, invisible and anonymous. It's just the way it works.

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Yes, but there are plenty of morons buying such stuff. If a forgery dealer could work his way into the 'almost a moron' group of buyers by learning more from members here, I'm sure he would do so. As you say, the OP just needs to do what everyone else here does: introduce himself, understanding how this might look to us, given that his approach so far has been almost identical to what the scammers here have tried. Not saying it's quacking exactly like a duck...

It's appropriate that you mention "introducing". Once I see a person's name posted, I feel more comfortable about them. Months-years of interaction add to that. Then when I see their picture the comfort level rises a little more. And finally we meet each other, and they could probably be crooked as hell, but I'd trust them much more than someone who is brand new on the internet, invisible and anonymous. It's just the way it works.

Agreed.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Runscott

the OP just needs to do what everyone else here does: introduce himself, understanding how this might look to us

I guess the relevant part of my post didn't seem relevant enough

[Lordstan]

Carmelo,
It may seem to be overkill, but, unfortunately, we do get a seemingly increasing number of people who's initial posts are asking about authenticity of big name autographs. Considering the amount of fraud in the hobby, it is natural for anyone to be suspicious. As you stated, you're just getting into this retro stuff. Please take it from those of us who have been in it for a while, that there is a real reason to be skeptical. It's not personal, we are suspicious because scammers are everywhere. Perhaps everything isn't a gotcha moment, but we have seen our fair share of them, so perhaps we are bit jaded. It isn't silly, just prudent.
If you stay, you will see that, as a whole, we are a very knowledgeable bunch who will go out of our way to help other collectors.
Mark

[Cfern023]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

Carmelo,
It may seem to be overkill, but, unfortunately, we do get a seemingly increasing number of people who's initial posts are asking about authenticity of big name autographs. Considering the amount of fraud in the hobby, it is natural for anyone to be suspicious. As you stated, you're just getting into this retro stuff. Please take it from those of us who have been in it for a while, that there is a real reason to be skeptical. It's not personal, we are suspicious because scammers are everywhere. Perhaps everything isn't a gotcha moment, but we have seen our fair share of them, so perhaps we are bit jaded. It isn't silly, just prudent.
If you stay, you will see that, as a whole, we are a very knowledgeable bunch who will go out of our way to help other collectors.
Mark

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This, all of this. While I'm not the most seasoned collector - and I won't go into vintage stuff much if at all in my life time- this forum is a great resource to learn. Unfortunately- there are some that look to hone their illegitimate craft as much as those who just want to learn.

I'll lend a hand when I can on modern stuff- but this forum is easily one of the most friendly and fun boards I've been on.

[Nyygameused]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

Carmelo,
It may seem to be overkill, but, unfortunately, we do get a seemingly increasing number of people who's initial posts are asking about authenticity of big name autographs. Considering the amount of fraud in the hobby, it is natural for anyone to be suspicious. As you stated, you're just getting into this retro stuff. Please take it from those of us who have been in it for a while, that there is a real reason to be skeptical. It's not personal, we are suspicious because scammers are everywhere. Perhaps everything isn't a gotcha moment, but we have seen our fair share of them, so perhaps we are bit jaded. It isn't silly, just prudent.
If you stay, you will see that, as a whole, we are a very knowledgeable bunch who will go out of our way to help other collectors.
Mark

An intelligent and well thought reply like this is what I've expected. I thank you mark, to the others, from a well respected modern day game used memorabilia collector, I've been let down.

[Runscott]

edited - I'm not buying any of this. Way too much protesting.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by Nyygameused

An intelligent and well thought reply like this is what I've expected. I thank you mark, to the others, from a well respected modern day game used memorabilia collector, I've been let down.

That is a bull shit. How does anyone that has no idea who you are let you down.
Please tell me who the hell you are, to insult people that have only tried to help everyone on this site modern and old. Who the hell respects you?

[Nyygameused]

Originally Posted by shelly

That is a bull shit. How does anyone that has no idea who you are let you down.
Please tell me who the hell you are, to insult people that have only tried to help everyone on this site modern and old. Who the hell respects you?

My man, again I have been on gameuseduniverse for five years, my name is yankees506 on that forum. A member since early 2010, a robinson cano collector and yankees modern day memorabilia collector.

Here is a thread I started on that forum, these are "who the hell respects me"

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_f...ad.php?t=42632

This is who the f*ck I am. Lord have mercy. Do I need to bump this thread on guu and everything to prove my credibility? Some of you guys on this forum need to take your heads out of the sand.

[JT]

NY....

Simple rule on this forum.....put your name under your handle, or Leon will do it for you.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by Nyygameused

My man, again I have been on gameuseduniverse for five years, my name is yankees506 on that forum. A member since early 2010, a robinson cano collector and yankees modern day memorabilia collector.

Here is a thread I started on that forum, these are "who the hell respects me"

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_f...ad.php?t=42632

This is who the f*ck I am. Lord have mercy. Do I need to bump this thread on guu and everything to prove my credibility? Some of you guys on this forum need to take your heads out of the sand.

One thing you will never be is my man. If you dont like the sand box get the hell out. My Man.
Last but not least my man. Why did you not say who the hell you where before you came on. I would like to know what auction house's use your great knowledge?
Wow a member of a site that means zip to me. You must be the most respected person I have never heard of.

[Lordstan]

A couple things.
Carmelo,
None of us here know you, so how could we possibly judge you or your reputation as being either good or bad. All we have is what has happened in this thread. People here usually are annoyed by people who don't identify themselves, by posting their name or information about themselves. Suppose some stranger just walks up to you asks for your opinion about something. Wouldn't you think it's more reasonable for that person to walk up hand outstretched saying, "Hi. I am Mark. I heard your really good at bats, could you give me your opinion?" Why wouldn't it be the same here? You're asking people's opinions without so much as a Hi. How do you expect us to know you're on another board and your level of expertise or experience? Fortunately and unfortunately that internet allows people to hide behind anonymity. If you don't identify yourself, skeptical people like us will assume the worst. If you had identified yourself, perhaps the response would have been different.

Also, the one he initially posted sold for $2300. I sent an email to the seller and reported it to eBay. If anyone has any pull with eBay, perhaps they can report it as well.

http://item.ebay.ca/itm/BABE-RUTH-AU...item3f38260e6e