Who can slighty best these WHOLESALE PRICES?? ALL CARDS SOLD!

[bobbyw8469]

Yea...a lot of people claim they pay the highest prices, but I have not found anyone who can touch the prices ASC pays for cards. And all their prices are right there in black and white for you to see. I like that a lot.

List updated for sold card.

[cparker94]

Use caution with this seller. He agreed to sell me the Koufax for $58 and I asked if it would be ok to pay him through paypal tomorrow. He said that would be fine and he gave me his paypal address. Woke up today about to pay him and I got a PM from him saying that he sold the card to someone else for more than we agreed to.

Craig from Texas

[bobbyw8469]

Sorry...all cards are available for sale elsewhere for more money. I am wholeselling these ONLY for Net54 members. All cards will remain up elsewhere until I get CASH PAYMENT IN HAND. Too many people have claimed "the check is in the mail", only to have the check never arrive...

[rdixon1208]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Sorry...all cards are available for sale elsewhere for more money. I am wholeselling these ONLY for Net54 members. All cards will remain up elsewhere until I get CASH PAYMENT IN HAND. Too many people have claimed "the check is in the mail", only to have the check never arrive...

Shady

Robert Dixon

[cparker94]

Like I said, use caution with this seller.

Craig from Texas

[bobbyw8469]

How is that shady?? Cards for sale until payment in hand? I think we need a referee.....

[bobbyw8469]

I have had people tell me they are going to pay the next day, and after they wake up, cancel on me. I don't FORCE them to pay. I am like, "that is cool - card still for sale". Craig had access to net54 but not paypal yesterday?? I don't think so. It is an unfortunate situation, and to be honest, I usually jack the price up so high on the other venue, that noone will want it when I have a verbal committment. I forgot to do it in this instance. The way I see it, both parties can share some responsibility in this. But to say I am shady is far from the truth!

[cparker94]

Whoa buddy. Hold on there. I have all of my card spreadsheets which I use for recording payments, incoming cards, and all other card related stuff at the office. If you couldn't wait one day to get your hands on my money, you should have stated so and I would have driven to my office, record everything, and pay you. We had an agreement that I would pay you this morning and you reneged. You cancelled on me and accepted a better offer. Not good business if you ask me. Now if I didn't pay you today like WE agreed on, you would have every right to sell to someone else.

Craig from Texas

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I have had people tell me they are going to pay the next day, and after they wake up, cancel on me. I don't FORCE them to pay. I am like, "that is cool - card still for sale". Craig had access to net54 but not paypal yesterday?? I don't think so. It is an unfortunate situation, and to be honest, I usually jack the price up so high on the other venue, that noone will want it when I have a verbal committment. I forgot to do it in this instance. The way I see it, both parties can share some responsibility in this. But to say I am shady is far from the truth!

[BradH]

Not sure how I missed this thread earlier, but in reading it now I do disagree with this statement:

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Craig had access to net54 but not paypal yesterday?? I don't think so.

I use my iPad while traveling all the time, especially for Net54 surfing. However, I NEVER use it for financial transactions (I don't trust it for that).

In the last week I've told four Net54 members that I'd pay them "tomorrow from a secured computer" (including one last night who I paid today) and no one has ever had an issue with it. If they felt they couldn't wait that long then I would understand and would move on with no hard feelings.

Just my two cents, but there are sometimes very good reasons why someone can't pay at that very moment.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Sorry...all cards are available for sale elsewhere for more money. I am wholeselling these ONLY for Net54 members. All cards will remain up elsewhere until I get CASH PAYMENT IN HAND. Too many people have claimed "the check is in the mail", only to have the check never arrive...

Sounds like you just admitted to reneging on a deal you had agreed to. Not a good thing to do if your reputation on this site is important to you. Look what happened to Joey F. for reneging on deals. I will definitely avoid your sales and a B/S/T ban may be in order.

edit: I posted this thinking I was on the first page. It's still my opinion, but I missed a lot of further info.

[bobbyw8469]

A verbal deal is not binding in a court of law. I didn't renege on anything. I can tell Rob Lifson I want to give him $5 million for his T206 Wagner card. Until the payment is in his hand, I haven't done squat.

[Luke]

So you're saying your word means nothing... Wow.

[slipk1068]

Don't blame Craig for being angry. I know I would be.

It seems like an honest mistake. It's not like Robert reneged because he was offered more money from someone else. I have dealt with Robert, and I can say he is an honest and helpful person.

Maybe ship Craig a $10 common or something from his wantlist to try to smooth things over?

[wilkiebaby11]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

A verbal deal is not binding in a court of law. I didn't renege on anything. I can tell Rob Lifson I want to give him $5 million for his T206 Wagner card. Until the payment is in his hand, I haven't done squat.

But wasn't this agreement 'in writing'? It was not verbal, it was typed. It is written/typed so your argument is null. So, being that you had a written/typed agreement, by definition, yes, you reneged on it.

And to say that a verbal deal is not binding in law is a bit ridiculous. Certainly it is in some cases. It's easy to renege when you are hiding behind a monitor.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

A verbal deal is not binding in a court of law. I didn't renege on anything. I can tell Rob Lifson I want to give him $5 million for his T206 Wagner card. Until the payment is in his hand, I haven't done squat.

You are a freaking nut . I am not a lawyer but I believe A verbal contract is a binding contract on anything except certain sales.....real estate and maybe a few other things. But just because we let folks back out of "a" deal on this board doesn't make it the way all contracts are. You might want to look up what constitutes a contract, I am not a lawyer, but verbal contracts are enforceable in most states and most situations. Proving them can be an issue though....

[whitehse]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

A verbal deal is not binding in a court of law. I didn't renege on anything. I can tell Rob Lifson I want to give him $5 million for his T206 Wagner card. Until the payment is in his hand, I haven't done squat.

I am not a lawyer and the only exposure I have had to contract law was in a business law class I took in college but even I know what you had here was a verbal contract to sell this card to the Net54 buyer.

If there is an offer (there was in this case) and an acceptance of the offer (again, there was in this case) then you have a contract. Written or verbal....it doesnt matter...you had a contract. I suggest you brush up on your law before making a dumb statement such as this.

[bobbyw8469]

If there is an offer (there was in this case) and an acceptance of the offer (again, there was in this case) then you have a contract. Written or verbal....it doesnt matter...you had a contract. I suggest you brush up on your law before making a dumb statement such as this.

If that is the case, how come I can never force the renegers on here to pay me when they agree to buy a card??? It is a contract, according to you....

[smtjoy]

I have two issues-

One- the policy of having to receive the money to count as done is imo way off (not to mention its not listed on your sales thread here). So basically what you are saying is if we agree to a deal and I mail you the money, if someone pays you via paypal you are going to cancel our deal and send me my money back? If thats the case I would imagine you will lose a lot of potential customer here.

I always treat the BSW here: when a deal is agreed upon that I will give the buyer a reasonable amount of time to complete the payment, really no different than ebay or any auction house. You really fail this and maybe it was just a mistake this time around but you keep stating its all about receiving the money first, if you are set on that it should be in your bsw listings and count me out for any future business. That said I think if any seller has a sale and holds the card and someone fails to pay in a reasonable time they should be outed here to save others from the same issue.

Second, it has happened to me on ebay where I cant find a card that just sold in my store and I had to cancel the ebay sale, In those cases no feedback can be left, the transaction is canceled because nothing was sent.

I know your a good guy Rob but when you made a choice to honor the 2nd sale which was ebay over the first, imo that was a bad decision. You also haven't really came out and said what you would do the next time it happens?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by smtjoy

Second, it has happened to me on ebay where I cant find a card that just sold in my store and I had to cancel the ebay sale, In those cases no feedback can be left, the transaction is canceled because nothing was sent.

As the seller, you have to get the buyer to AGREE to cancel the sale. Good luck with that. Even if he does agree to canel the sale, yes, absolutely feedback can still be left. A cancellation of the sale does not take away the buyers right to leave feedback. I think that is a common misconception.

[ZachS]

My advice (for what it's worth):

- Bobby, I feel like you made an honest mistake but at what cost are you willing to let this go on? You're in the business of selling cards and this site is a big market. I know Craig has a big want-list of cards so maybe you could work out another deal with him to help check something else off his list to show everyone that you're willing to fix a problem.

- Craig, I feel like you got the raw end of this deal but if Bobby is willing to work with you on your want-list stuff then maybe you could agree that this was all an honest mistake and hold no hard feelings.

We could all feel good knowing that Craig got something out of the deal AND that Bobby is willing to work with his customers to make them happy in the event that something like this were to happen again.

Or you could not listen to me and keep arguing so I'll have something to read while I kill time at work.

[bobbyw8469]

Or you could not listen to me and keep arguing so I'll have something to read while I kill time at work.

We aren't really arguing. More like debating/venting.....this thread has gotten way more hits than I ever though possible. I don't even want to sell the cards on here anymore.

[wilkiebaby11]

Originally Posted by ZachS

My advice (for what it's worth):
Or you could not listen to me and keep arguing so I'll have something to read while I kill time at work.

[4reals]

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

I will definitely avoid your sales and a B/S/T

+1 here

[bobbyw8469]

That's fine. That is your prerogative. Heaven forbid if you make a mistake though.