New SGC Look?

[jerrys]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

I'm sitting here in amazement at the irony of this thread and others.

Members chime in unison about the poor quality of the holders (any TPG) and rail on about fraudulent cards being placed in cracked holders and resold, holders (or gaskets) that don't hold the cards, or holders that are too thick or too thin.

Then the members in unison get all bent out of shape and chime in about a change in flips, whose sole purpose is to identify the card, certify its authenticity and assign an opinion regarding its condition.

And then when it comes to the cards themselves, members generally agree in unison and chime in with the Net54 mantra "Buy the card and not the holder".
If the holder and the flip are so (expletive deleted) important, more so than the card itself, isn't the mantra a bit hypocritical?

Furthermore these threads tend to promote behavior seen in lemmings with someone expressing their "personal" opinion (regarding the flip for example) and then the entire symphony orchestra feels compelled to respond in harmony.

Change is inevitable. Some will resist. Others will adapt. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but following a leader in lockstep didn't work in Jonestown for the Koolaid drinkers.

Be independent, my friends, and don't get swept away by the wave of a Net54 thread. Maybe everyone should design a flip they would be happy with and post it. Do you think we would agree on which one is the best? I respectfully think not.

The SGC management decision to change their label has drawn negative comments from SGC customers who have invested in their product and much prefer the as is look and to have uniformity in their collection. There is no need for your arrogant insult comparing us to "follow the leader" lemmings or your hackneyed philosophy.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by jerrys

The SGC management decision to change their label has drawn negative comments from SGC customers who have invested in their product and much prefer the as is look and to have uniformity in their collection. There is no need for your arrogant insult comparing us to "follow the leader" lemmings or your hackneyed philosophy.

I didn't take it that way. I took it that he was saying we should make our own decisions based on our own thoughts, and not follow what others say for the sake of following, but maybe I am under a false apprehension?

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by Leon

I didn't take it that way. I took it that he was saying we should make our own decisions based on our own thoughts, and not follow what others say for the sake of following, but maybe I am under a false apprehension?

Are you saying that we should think for ourselves?!?!?!

Originally Posted by Leon

I didn't take it that way. I took it that he was saying we should make our own decisions based on our own thoughts, and not follow what others say for the sake of following, but maybe I am under a false apprehension?

I'd like to believe we are all independent thinkers who just happen to agree that the new flip design is terrible. It's somewhat insulting that Frank believes we are mindless drones playing follow the leader. I hate the new design because it looks terrible to me, not because others dislike it. It won't prevent me from buying an SGC graded card but it likely will prevent me from using their service, so I find the whole 'buy the card not the holder' argument being thrown in our face by Frank as mildly insulting as well.

[calvindog]

Maybe SGC should just man up. Definitely not seeing anyone man up over there.

Has there been any response from SGC? It sounds like Leon has had some correspondence, but no actual company statement as of yet. It's just hard to believe that the current design is their best effort and the response in this thread has been overwhelmingly negative which you would think extends beyond the net54 community.

[Leon]

I was told SGC will most likely put out a statement later today or tomorrow. They do read this board frequently and take the comments under consideration. I am sure they want to take care of their customers while improving as much as they can. Sometimes when decisions have to be made you can try to appease the masses but "everyone" will never be happy. It is impossible.

Personally I think if they put the green border around it then that is about all I could ask for. But I am not the masses, nor a set collector, nor a holder collector so it doesn't make as much difference to me as it does others. And I don't even know that putting a green border around it is feasible? Sometimes printing can be tricky..

And I hope I wasn't putting words in Frank's mouth before when I said what I thought he meant. That was a faux pas on my part. I can barely keep up with myself.

I should add that my graded collection IS almost entirely in SGC holders.

[chernieto]

Originally Posted by Leon

I was told SGC will most likely put out a statement later today or tomorrow. They do read this board frequently and take the comments under consideration. I am sure they want to take care of their customers while improving as much as they can. Sometimes when decisions have to be made you can try to appease the masses but "everyone" will never be happy. It is impossible.

Personally I think if they put the green border around it then that is about all I could ask for. But I am not the masses, nor a set collector, nor a holder collector so it doesn't make as much difference to me as it does others. And I don't even know that putting a green border around it is feasible? Sometimes printing can be tricky..

And I hope I wasn't putting words in Frank's mouth before when I said what I thought he meant. That was a faux pas on my part. I can barely keep up with myself.

I should add that my graded collection IS almost entirely in SGC holders.

Thanks for all your efforts Leon! I thought the images today with the water mark looked better than yesterday's white appearing label. The green border would certainly go a long way towards pleasing many of us loyal SGC customers and give a better sense of continuity.
Paul C

[ullmandds]

You guys should cut Frank some slack...much of what he speaks is the truth...and he's a bit of a sarcastic...wise-ass kinda guy..like me...but he's a lot smarter than I.

On the note at hand...and in opposition of Franks words...I think the flip is very important in aiding in projecting the TPG's image. The Flip should be appealing to the eye...somewhat unique...be written in an easy to read/boldish type font...have some form of id #...and should state the issue and grade in a clear and concise manner...and I almost forgot...almost impossible to falsify.

Additionally...if I were an established TPG with a good reputation...I'd want my Flip to remain recognizable and identifiable as mine...despite changes and evolution of the flip...while still complementing older versions of the flip.

In summary I'd want my flip to be like a porsche 911...or vw beetle!

[kelleyrj1]

how do you pull up prior and current submission list on new sgc site?

[jujudrum]

At this moment, I like the old Flip better than the new one.
That being said, I haven't yet seen the new Flip in person.

I'm hoping that over time, the new design will grow on me.

In any event, regardless of the changes, SGC has my unconditional full support.

What is of primary importance to me is the world class grading expertise that the Company provides.

The Flip design is by comparison, is not much more than a footnote.

[jbsports33]

SGC would just need to use the same color green for the border, the Photoshop examples are great - and there should be no reason why they could not add the border. I was going to get some cards graded this weekend at our local show. I will talk with SGC in person and see what they may have in mind. If they do not make a change I will just have to mix cards up that I sell with older holders and PSA and more ungraded cards. I have studied sales and changes with both companies for a few years. I had wanted to work with just one company for my website, which is one reason I have been holding back on buying too much. Now that my website is completed, I have started to think about just using SGC for cards and autos; this will make me think even more and will hold up sales and finishing my website with consistent product. I may as well go back to a mix of everything - very frustrating

Jimmy

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Leon

I didn't take it that way. I took it that he was saying we should make our own decisions based on our own thoughts, and not follow what others say for the sake of following, but maybe I am under a false apprehension?

Leon, why must it be assumed that everybody that spoke out against the new SGC flip was "following the leader?"

I didn't read the whole "new SGC look" discussion before formulating my opinion. I saw the change. I thought it was ugly, and I stated my opinion. It just so happened that most everybody else who took the time to state their opinion felt the same waY I did.

When I buy a card, I consider only the card itself. Once I acquire the card, though, the flip and slab are very important. The SGC flip + slab combination that has been used up until now was, in my opinion, was the most attractive in the hobby...by far. Now they are changing it. Nobody has a problem with their changing it. We have a problem because what they are changing it to is far less appealing.

[Republicaninmass]

Besides the work around, anyone able to check their submissions?

Also, did they kill off their message boards?

[jujudrum]

Yes, You are able to see Your submissions.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Besides the work around, anyone able to check their submissions?

Also, did they kill off their message boards?

Ted, I did a few searches for it last night, and couldn't find it. Maybe it's just not up yet, I don't know.

[the 'stache]

For the sake of comparison:

The old slab + flip:



The proposed flip:



The proposed flip if it had a green border:

[JollyElm]

Tell me that Ryan flip is just a mockup. No way in heckfire that is a NM/NM+ card!!!!!!

[Blackie]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

For the sake of comparison:

The old slab + flip:



The proposed flip:



The proposed flip if it had a green border:

I chose the proposed flip with green border! Just saying

[usernamealreadytaken]

C'mon. No need for fighting. Let's get back to what we are all in this hobby for . . . the flips . . .