New SGC Look?

[barrysloate]

Many companies will test market a product and study the consumer feedback before releasing it into the marketplace. I hope SGC uses this thread as their test audience and proceeds accordingly. Obviously, with near universal dislike of this label- count me among those who think it looks awful- hopefully they will reconsider the change.

[glynparson]

but i somehow like the new ones even less. Still believe Scott is probably the best grader currently working as a grader in the hobby.

[kamikidEFFL]

I myself am not a fan of SGC grading. I prefer everything PSA. I know everyone has there opinion on whats better well what SGC is doing in my opinion looks absolutely horrible. If your a guy like me I like everything looking the same in my set and now to change the flip is a killer. I would probably pass on a card because of the flip change.

[frankbmd]

I'm sitting here in amazement at the irony of this thread and others.

Members chime in unison about the poor quality of the holders (any TPG) and rail on about fraudulent cards being placed in cracked holders and resold, holders (or gaskets) that don't hold the cards, or holders that are too thick or too thin.

Then the members in unison get all bent out of shape and chime in about a change in flips, whose sole purpose is to identify the card, certify its authenticity and assign an opinion regarding its condition.

And then when it comes to the cards themselves, members generally agree in unison and chime in with the Net54 mantra "Buy the card and not the holder".
If the holder and the flip are so (expletive deleted) important, more so than the card itself, isn't the mantra a bit hypocritical?

Furthermore these threads tend to promote behavior seen in conga lines with someone expressing their "personal" opinion (regarding the flip for example) and then the entire symphony orchestra feels compelled to respond in harmony usually.

Change is inevitable. Some will resist. Others will adapt. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but following a leader in lockstep didn't work in Jonestown for the Koolaid drinkers.

Be independent, my friends, and don't get swept away by the wave of a Net54 thread. Maybe everyone should design a flip they would be happy with and post it. Do you think we would agree on which one is the best? I respectfully think not.

[ullmandds]

So Frank my friend...where do u stand on the "who said there are no good deals to be found on ebay"...thread?

[Exhibitman]

Those new flips are GAI.

[kkkkandp]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Those new flips are GAI.

Sadly, I think they are worse than GAI.

Who was the dealer who used to make up his own labels to justify his grades - David Festberg?

[jp1216]

I remember similar chatter when the last flips were introduced. Bolder green border - how dare they? Adding the website address, removing the gold foil on the back etc. Change is always hard. I guess I wish they had asked the customers first - or had a poll, contest etc. Maybe even give customers the preference to use the 'old flip' for their sets etc. Maybe provide a 5 year grace period for that.

I'll wait until I see one in person before deciding. One feature I wish they (and others) would incorporate is the Q-Code (on the back). Those square bar code things. Easy to scan/verify into registries or looking up at shows.

I'll still support SGC and wish them the best.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Those new flips are GAI.

Adam, just wanted to let you know that I got your joke.

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

And then when it comes to the cards themselves, members generally agree in unison and chime in with the Net54 mantra "Buy the card and not the holder".
If the holder and the flip are so (expletive deleted) important, more so than the card itself, isn't the mantra a bit hypocritical?

Agreed, this whole thing shows how much emphasis people truly put on the holders. Takes away from emphasis on the card.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Bicem

Agreed, this whole thing shows how much emphasis people truly put on the holders. Takes away from emphasis on the card.

I understand that, buy the card, not the holder yadda yadda yadda.....but if you are OCD or like your collection to match, then mix-match flips will drive you bonkers if you are building a set!

[Vol]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I understand that, buy the card, not the holder yadda yadda yadda.....but if you are OCD or like your collection to match, then mix-match flips will drive you bonkers if you are building a set!

This is going to drive the set builders crazy.

The flip doesn't look as good, that is just the simple truth.

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I understand that, buy the card, not the holder yadda yadda yadda.....but if you are OCD or like your collection to match, then mix-match flips will drive you bonkers if you are building a set!

Totally agree, that's why I collect raw.

Well, that's one of many reasons I should say.

[jerrys]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

I'm sitting here in amazement at the irony of this thread and others.

Members chime in unison about the poor quality of the holders (any TPG) and rail on about fraudulent cards being placed in cracked holders and resold, holders (or gaskets) that don't hold the cards, or holders that are too thick or too thin.

Then the members in unison get all bent out of shape and chime in about a change in flips, whose sole purpose is to identify the card, certify its authenticity and assign an opinion regarding its condition.

And then when it comes to the cards themselves, members generally agree in unison and chime in with the Net54 mantra "Buy the card and not the holder".
If the holder and the flip are so (expletive deleted) important, more so than the card itself, isn't the mantra a bit hypocritical?

Furthermore these threads tend to promote behavior seen in lemmings with someone expressing their "personal" opinion (regarding the flip for example) and then the entire symphony orchestra feels compelled to respond in harmony.

Change is inevitable. Some will resist. Others will adapt. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but following a leader in lockstep didn't work in Jonestown for the Koolaid drinkers.

Be independent, my friends, and don't get swept away by the wave of a Net54 thread. Maybe everyone should design a flip they would be happy with and post it. Do you think we would agree on which one is the best? I respectfully think not.

The SGC management decision to change their label has drawn negative comments from SGC customers who have invested in their product and much prefer the as is look and to have uniformity in their collection. There is no need for your arrogant insult comparing us to "follow the leader" lemmings or your hackneyed philosophy.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by jerrys

The SGC management decision to change their label has drawn negative comments from SGC customers who have invested in their product and much prefer the as is look and to have uniformity in their collection. There is no need for your arrogant insult comparing us to "follow the leader" lemmings or your hackneyed philosophy.

I didn't take it that way. I took it that he was saying we should make our own decisions based on our own thoughts, and not follow what others say for the sake of following, but maybe I am under a false apprehension?

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by Leon

I didn't take it that way. I took it that he was saying we should make our own decisions based on our own thoughts, and not follow what others say for the sake of following, but maybe I am under a false apprehension?

Are you saying that we should think for ourselves?!?!?!

Originally Posted by Leon

I didn't take it that way. I took it that he was saying we should make our own decisions based on our own thoughts, and not follow what others say for the sake of following, but maybe I am under a false apprehension?

I'd like to believe we are all independent thinkers who just happen to agree that the new flip design is terrible. It's somewhat insulting that Frank believes we are mindless drones playing follow the leader. I hate the new design because it looks terrible to me, not because others dislike it. It won't prevent me from buying an SGC graded card but it likely will prevent me from using their service, so I find the whole 'buy the card not the holder' argument being thrown in our face by Frank as mildly insulting as well.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Leon

I didn't take it that way. I took it that he was saying we should make our own decisions based on our own thoughts, and not follow what others say for the sake of following, but maybe I am under a false apprehension?

Leon, why must it be assumed that everybody that spoke out against the new SGC flip was "following the leader?"

I didn't read the whole "new SGC look" discussion before formulating my opinion. I saw the change. I thought it was ugly, and I stated my opinion. It just so happened that most everybody else who took the time to state their opinion felt the same waY I did.

When I buy a card, I consider only the card itself. Once I acquire the card, though, the flip and slab are very important. The SGC flip + slab combination that has been used up until now was, in my opinion, was the most attractive in the hobby...by far. Now they are changing it. Nobody has a problem with their changing it. We have a problem because what they are changing it to is far less appealing.

[usernamealreadytaken]

C'mon. No need for fighting. Let's get back to what we are all in this hobby for . . . the flips . . .

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

I'm sitting here in amazement at the irony of this thread and others.

Members chime in unison about the poor quality of the holders (any TPG) and rail on about fraudulent cards being placed in cracked holders and resold, holders (or gaskets) that don't hold the cards, or holders that are too thick or too thin.

Then the members in unison get all bent out of shape and chime in about a change in flips, whose sole purpose is to identify the card, certify its authenticity and assign an opinion regarding its condition.

And then when it comes to the cards themselves, members generally agree in unison and chime in with the Net54 mantra "Buy the card and not the holder".
If the holder and the flip are so (expletive deleted) important, more so than the card itself, isn't the mantra a bit hypocritical?

Furthermore these threads tend to promote behavior seen in lemmings with someone expressing their "personal" opinion (regarding the flip for example) and then the entire symphony orchestra feels compelled to respond in harmony.

Change is inevitable. Some will resist. Others will adapt. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but following a leader in lockstep didn't work in Jonestown for the Koolaid drinkers.

Be independent, my friends, and don't get swept away by the wave of a Net54 thread. Maybe everyone should design a flip they would be happy with and post it. Do you think we would agree on which one is the best? I respectfully think not.

To me, there is no issue about buy the card, not the slab, because I already have the card. The issue is, should I decide to send it in for grading, what the card I ALREADY HAVE is going to look like in the new slab and flip. If I think its going to look like shit, then I don't suppose I'm going to be as willing to send it in to be graded as I used to be. Its just that simple. It isn't a lemming thing, its a "I think my card is going to look like shit in that holder with that flip" thing. Pretty simple Frank.

[bn2cardz]

Let me start by saying that I am not concerned about things matching. I have cards in the same run/set that are graded by PSA, SGC, BVG and raw. The holder doesn't have to be uniform for me.

That said. I really don't have a problem with the new flip. I like that it has a simple look without a color border. I know I am in the minority and that may be because of my original statement about not needing uniformity in my holders.

[JasonD08]

Those new flips are GAI.

Actually the new GAI flips were attractive......their holders and ability to grade was what was bad.

[brewing]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Many companies will test market a product and study the consumer feedback before releasing it into the marketplace. I hope SGC uses this thread as their test audience and proceeds accordingly. Obviously, with near universal dislike of this label- count me among those who think it looks awful- hopefully they will reconsider the change.

That's only for companies that seek to make a profit.


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[nolemmings]

I will give them some props for the red authentic label. I know some don't like it, but I think it helps someone presented with a stack or pile of cards to immediately sift out or hone in on the autographed cards. It draws the eye's attention, for sure.

[dog*dirt]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

I will give them some props for the red authentic label. I know some don't like it, but I think it helps someone presented with a stack or pile of cards to immediately sift out or hone in on the autographed cards. It draws the eye's attention, for sure.

I also like the red as it will stand out as opposed to the current holders.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

I will give them some props for the red authentic label. I know some don't like it, but I think it helps someone presented with a stack or pile of cards to immediately sift out or hone in on the autographed cards. It draws the eye's attention, for sure.

I agree but I would put a border around it also.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by I Only Smoke 4 the Cards

I agree but I would put a border around it also.

If you put a green border around a red authentic it will look like a xmas card.

[Texxxx]

Ill go on record saying that I could care less what it looks like. As long as it doesn't look like a 5 year old did it. I only care what the card looks like.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Texxxx

Ill go on record saying that I could care less what it looks like. As long as it doesn't look like a 5 year old did it. I only care what the card looks like.

The initial pics did look that way, but the newer ones do not. I agree with you, it's no big deal and would have no effect at all on my decision to buy or submit a card.

[CW]

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[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by Paul S

If you put a green border around a red authentic it will look like a xmas card.

Hahaha I know. I was thinking the border would be red.