Show...me...your print variations!

[ALR-bishop]

Got it thanks.

Note the 3 different sky backgrounds in the 53 Schultz and Shea cards

[savedfrommyspokes]

Al, the 53s are neat....what caused the difference as these cards were produced from original artwork, were they not?


Here are a few more I have found ....

The 59 McDaniel has the white streak on the lower left area of the card. The 59 Singleton has the missing print(in the word "Chicago")...the guy I sold this card to told me he had been looking for years for a second copy to compliment his other copy with the missing print. The 63 Menke has the yellow area along the right edge...have not found a second copy of the Menke card with the yellow.

[ALR-bishop]

Had not seen or heard of those 3. I do have an Elmer with a yellow streak in the bottom border. That same defect exists in various forms on the Hank Sauer card. And there are 3 version of Lindy's 61 card

[4reals]

Love those 56 Pepper's Al, good eye on those!

Spokes: The yellow overprint on your 63 Topps Menke reminded me of these...

seems 63 had a problem with the yellow staying trapped in cards with the green strip on the bottom, my Fairly's are somewhat similar.

[ALR-bishop]

Joe---I believe, based on this article by George Vrechek, that the Zimmer qualifies as a true variation. Like the 52 Mantle, printing/cropping differences on a DP. Running down all 11 was not that hard on ebay


http://www.oldbaseball.com/refs/1963_New_Variations.pdf

[whiteymet]

There is a very rare subset of a very early printing of the 1962 Salada coins that most collectors are not aware of.

The ultra rare Bailey, Brandt and Williams are a part of this printing. Every Salada collector knows that the rare Brandt comes with an S on the end of Orioles while the common one lists his team as Oriole. However the rare Brandt also has his name farther away from his face. See below.

There are others with this same name farther away from the face or other printing moved on the coin.

And there are the ever popular print blubs.

There's lots more too.

[4reals]

whitey - looks like the team name is also closer or further away from the body (in some cases touching the body), not just the player's name...thanks for sharing!

[tedzan]

Tough to find Red cap variation




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[tedzan]

I've been searching for another 1969 blue Mantle since 1987 when I acquired this one.

Does anyone here have a blue one, or have seen blue one ?


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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by tedzan

I've been searching for another 1969 blue Mantle since 1987 when I acquired this one.

Does anyone here have a blue one, or have seen blue one ?


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I have seen them with a blue tint but never as blue as yours Ted. That one is very nice looking.

[swarmee]

1960 Topps #7 Master and Mentor with Willie Mays. This one has a brown bar on the reverse to the left of the title box that is not on any other copy on COMC.

It's not miscut, since the card is nicely centered. Must be a variation based on being on multiple sheets/different series? Anyone else have one? Is it cataloged anywhere? This would be a good one to have listed as a variation on PSA.

[ALR-bishop]

Very interesting John. Either Tom or George here or elsewhere pointed out a similar oddity on two 1960 backs. Conley ( 293) and Chiti (339) can be found with an errant "Batting Record" box ( Chiti at top back, Conley lower back) The box seems to appear on both cards no matter how cut. Just seems to be an out of place box on the sheet/. But yours appears much scarcer as the Chiti and Conley both have the box but in different degrees.

The Conley has front differences as well on the insert

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by swarmee

1960 Topps #7 Master and Mentor with Willie Mays. This one has a brown bar on the reverse to the left of the title box that is not on any other copy on COMC.

It's not miscut, since the card is nicely centered. Must be a variation based on being on multiple sheets/different series? Anyone else have one? Is it cataloged anywhere? This would be a good one to have listed as a variation on PSA.

Found a second one today on COMC:

1960 Topps - [Base] #7 - Master & Mentor (Willie Mays, Bill Rigney) [VG*EX]
Courtesy of COMC.com

Maybe now that I can prove it's recurring, I can get it checklisted in Beckett.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Found a second one today on COMC:

1960 Topps - [Base] #7 - Master & Mentor (Willie Mays, Bill Rigney) [VG*EX]
Courtesy of COMC.com

Maybe now that I can prove it's recurring, I can get it checklisted in Beckett.

Nice find, seems to be a recurring variation with multiple cards from the lower series of the 1960 set.

http://net54baseball.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=867

[ALR-bishop]

Scarce but recurring. Good to know John.

[Sliphorn]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Nice find, seems to be a recurring variation with multiple cards from the lower series of the 1960 set.

http://net54baseball.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=867

I bought one on eBay today so that makes at least three of them.

[frankhardy]

For those that don't know, I am a Cardinals team set collector. I recently started searching for reoccurring vintage Topps variations, after a few years of collecting modern Topps variations. When I discovered this thread I went through all 119 pages looking for Cardinals. I also went through Richard Dingman's variation site and listed all of the variations on my spreadsheet that I didn't have. I was able to find most.

Along the way, I happen to have discovered a few variations on my own that were not listed anywhere that I have seen. My rule for myself is that it has to be reoccurring. Some of the variations that I have found are variations within variations. For example, the 1960 Topps Lindy McDaniel (yellow blob in the orange area on the left) has different reoccurring shapes. This card also has a thin donut and a thick donut that are both reoccurring. Also, it has a white donut on his arm that is reoccurring. I don't have those scanned. Maybe I will later this week.

Another variation that I found that I have not seen mentioned anywhere else is a 1969 Topps Mike Shannon with a long black line down the left border similar to the Adlesh on the top border that was previously discussed (I think, from memory).

Here is one that I have found going through my duplicates - a 1972 Topps Don Shaw. I found these as reoccurring on COMC. These are the ones I found in my duplicates. The one on the left is a normal card. The one in the middle has an outline around his hat. The one on the right has an outline around his hat, but the entire picture has a brownish tint to it. It is hard to see on my scan, but it is very visible in person and also very visible on COMC's scans.

[mintacular]

Does anyone know if there is a red/pink tint variation with '68 BB? Ran across a couple cards with a weird color variation.....Thoughts? Common?

Not sure this scan does justice but the cards def. have a red "hue" to them...

[swarmee]

*Double post*

[swarmee]

1976 Dennis Eckersly: two black dots in bottom border.
https://www.comc.com/Cards/Baseball/...ersley/1853797

[JollyElm]

The 1969 #529 Ed Kirkpatrick comes with and without an obvious black mark on the bill of his hat (neither version appears to be more scarce than the other)...

Ed-Kirkpatrick-2.jpg Ed-Kirkpatrick.jpg

And it seems that every one of his cards has some pink splotching on the uniform, but the amount of saturation varies greatly.

[JollyElm]

Here's another minor, but interesting, variation nonetheless. It's actually a variation within a variation...

These cards are traditional 1969 Topps White Letter (WL) #485 Gaylord Perry Variations...

1969wl485a.jpg

While these cards are traditional 1969 White Letter (WL) #485 Gaylord Perry Variations with an extra thick blue line present and floating to the right of his cheek...

1969wl485b.jpg

They are wickedly tough to find.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Good catch with your find on the variation on the variation of this card....here is another twist on this card. We all know that the YL can be found with the card number obscured on back. However, I also have a WL with the card number obscured on the back. Yet another variation on the already known variation....I have not seen the obscuration on the WL mentioned. Deans has one WL with a full and one with a partial obscuration on the back.

Seeing the same limited but recurring flaws on both the WL and YL versions begs the question, how did these flaws end on on both the WL and YL?

[steve B]

That could happen if the backs were printed first
Or if they printed backs on one press and fronts on another at the same time and swapped piles later.
Which sort of makes sense if they had a bunch of mistakes to fix. They'd done a bunch, stopped and while making the new plates simply went ahead and printed the backs.

There are lots of reasons to do stuff like that. There are a few cards from a number of different sets and it's hard to spot/prove where the normal order of colors wasn't followed. Some 81 fleer star stickers have the black printed before the blue on the front. Black is almost always printed last. If you have a stack, they'll be the light blue ones.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by steve B

That could happen if the backs were printed first
Or if they printed backs on one press and fronts on another at the same time and swapped piles later.
Which sort of makes sense if they had a bunch of mistakes to fix. They'd done a bunch, stopped and while making the new plates simply went ahead and printed the backs.

There are lots of reasons to do stuff like that. There are a few cards from a number of different sets and it's hard to spot/prove where the normal order of colors wasn't followed. Some 81 fleer star stickers have the black printed before the blue on the front. Black is almost always printed last. If you have a stack, they'll be the light blue ones.

Thank you Steve, the process you describe makes sense with the print defects.....another question (may have long since been answered) revolves around why there are WL variations from this set in the first place? It does not appear that these WL cards are missing the yellow as (with the Perry card) the team's name is yellow.

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Good catch with your find on the variation on the variation of this card....here is another twist on this card. We all know that the YL can be found with the card number obscured on back. However, I also have a WL with the card number obscured on the back. Yet another variation on the already known variation....I have not seen the obscuration on the WL mentioned. Deans has one WL with a full and one with a partial obscuration on the back.

Seeing the same limited but recurring flaws on both the WL and YL versions begs the question, how did these flaws end on on both the WL and YL?

I have a yellow letter card coming to me with just a partial obscuring of the card number, so that adds yet another wrinkle to the case.

[JollyElm]

Here's an illustration of the partially obscured number mentioned above. The two cards in back are yellow lettered and the one in front is a white letter...

1969perry485partiallyobscurednumber.jpg