Show...me...your print variations!

[ALR-bishop]

Neat item Jonathan. To the best of my knowledge PSA normally only notes variations/variants/differences on their flips after hobby recognition in some way, such as recognition in a catalog like SCD or Becketts. On the other hand, as far as I know PSA recognized the 61 Fairly on their own.

I know some collectors on CU got some variations recognized by PSA through persistent efforts that included sending them hobby articles about the cards they were trying to get recognized. Others worked to get SCD to recognize their variant cards as a first step

[bigfanNY]

Thank you for the input. What I really do not understand is clearly this card is a "variation" but in this day of company produced "variations" real ones need a champion or group of champions to hound a TPG in order to receive recognition. And I know that quality control is much much better now that in the 50's thru 1990's so real factory error cards are much scarcer but it seems to me a TPG would have enough experts especially in modern cards to recognize an error card when it is siting in their hand. I also know if stuff like this is my biggest problem I have NO problems. Great thread love variations.

Jonathan

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Neat item Jonathan. To the best of my knowledge PSA normally only notes variations/variants/differences on their flips after hobby recognition in some way, such as recognition in a catalog like SCD or Becketts. On the other hand, as far as I know PSA recognized the 61 Fairly on their own.

I know some collectors on CU got some variations recognized by PSA through persistent efforts that included sending them hobby articles about the cards they were trying to get recognized. Others worked to get SCD to recognize their variant cards as a first step

A Beckett dealer told them about the 61 Fairly and then it was listed in Beckett. PSA did not do that one independently.

[ALR-bishop]

Thanks for that info Rich, I had not realized that. In your view how can it be distinguished from other 61s with the green in the baseball on the back ? Or other front and back print defects that are recurring and even more prominent ? I kind of understood Bob Lemke's SCD criteria before he retired. Does Beckett have some known criteria or is it ad hoc depending on who is recommending it or their persistence ?

By the way I have no interested in trying to get anything recognized myself, this is just curiosity

[savedfrommyspokes]

I found this 58 Korcheck card....I was not able to locate another copy, so this "variation" must be "extremely rare"( LOL).

Notice the yellow line above the black box(does not appear on other copies of this card), and then the word "Catcher" in the black box has a small bit of yellow on the bottom while it looks like a red marker was used to color the upper part of the word "catcher" all while the red appears to overlap (more obviously on this card than on other copies) the black print.

Looks like a case of the sheet shifting during part of the printing process when either the red or yellow were supposed to print, as evidenced by the extra yellow on the top of the "W" in the Sentors logo. But what I do not understand is why the yellow line above the black box exists without any offsetting print errors on the upper edge and why the red overlapping the black print is so obvious(as this is not obvious on other copies). .

[ALR-bishop]

Cool. There was another one similar to it on ebay


http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11400...xe=exe,ext=ext

[savedfrommyspokes]

Looks like the ebay Korcheck slipped in the opposite direction during printing.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Cool. There was another one similar to it on ebay


http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11400...xe=exe,ext=ext

Nice pair of print offset cards Al. Down ward red on one and up ward red on the other one. EDIT: After looking at the first card shown by savedfrommyspokes it looks like the black is what is printed offset(down ward) compared to the other 3 colors.

I have noticed that darker red blob showing in the black over the around the player position on some 58's I have.

[4reals]

I know everyone is aware of the 86 Topps Clemens blue streak variation and the Seaver blue streak variation from the same year but I just saw this card end on ebay tonight. It sold for $15 at auction. As a Dodgers collector I had no interest in it but thought I'd share its existence for those of you who might want to track one down. From a previous thread I know the layout of these cards on the sheet was discussed and based on those findings I think it would be safe to assume there is a fourth card floating around out there that has a similar blue streak.

[swarmee]

1952 Topps Campanella

Missing the R in "Major" League Batting Record plus some of the line above. Spotted by the guys on blowout.

[ALR-bishop]

The Campanella variant was included in the Huggins and Scott Super set a few years back. The checklist is in post 6

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=Awr9...2ULPJ6hPHVjo0-

Getting 2 of that card and the two Mantles, Thompsons and Robinsons was expensive

[Sliphorn]

Here are a couple rare variations I picked up recently. If I was bidding against one of you for the Papai, Apologize.

On the Papai (#245), there is a blue slash along the bottom of the leftmost version. FYI, these are both the "no copyright" versions.

On the Frisch (#229), there is a little blue dash in the lower right margin of the right example. This is the common version so the left example, without the blue dash, is the variation and very rare, I am told. FYI, these are both the "copyright" versions.

I will soon also have another example showing a variation in the the sixth series of this set, so stayed tuned!

[ALR-bishop]

If it was the graded Papai auction on ebay I followed it and in the end was glad I stayed on the sideline

[richtree]

Comstock yellow and Metzger Black line.

[ALR-bishop]

Ok, richtree, you get a pass on the Metzger but if you have the Comstock yellow name you have to put up a better scan

[Sliphorn]

These newly-discovered variations keep on coming. Some guy listed the no dots version for a ton of money so I searched and found the one on eBay that does NOT have dots in his last name. There are several and possibly some on COMC as well. At least this is not a scarce one.

[ALR-bishop]

Good one Tom

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Ok, richtree, you get a pass on the Metzger but if you have the Comstock yellow name you have to put up a better scan

I can't help with the Yellow Comstock but here are scans of the 1979 Topps Roger Metzger solid line and partial line variation cards.

Partial missing Ink

[swarmee]

Recurring blue streak in the grass on the right side.

1950 Bowman - [Base] #117 - Bill Rigney
Courtesy of COMC.com

[swarmee]

1972 Topps #92 AL ERA Leaders with Palmer, Blue, and Wood.

Variation 1: Blue line through yellow border next to Jim Palmer.


Variation 2: Blue line extends into the yellow above Palmer's name.

[ALR-bishop]

Good one John

[swarmee]

Red line extends to card's right border:

1963 Post - [Base] #22 - Bill Stafford
Courtesy of COMC.com

Red line normal:

1963 Post - [Base] #22 - Bill Stafford
Courtesy of COMC.com

Or is this just a red sheet alignment issue that is recurring?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Red line extends to card's right border:

1963 Post - [Base] #22 - Bill Stafford
Courtesy of COMC.com

Red line normal:

1963 Post - [Base] #22 - Bill Stafford
Courtesy of COMC.com

Or is this just a red sheet alignment issue that is recurring?

Aren't they variations between what product the card was actually cut from? I know I have a few different Ed Mathews variations.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Aren't they variations between what product the card was actually cut from? I know I have a few different Ed Mathews variations.

That could be it; the cropping is slightly different left to right.

[whiteymet]

Ben has it correct.

Dan Mabey has posted recently here on Net 54 that he is getting ready to offer some of his superb books about the different Post cereal issues

In his book about the1963 set he notes that the Stafford card was issued on two different cereal boxes. A 13 oz Alpha Bits and a 12 oz. Post Toasties.

He goes on to describe how to tell the differences between the cards for those working on a Master Set.

Among the descriptions are note the color of the grass above his right shoulder. On the Alpha Bits card it is deep green while the Post Toasties has a lighter shade of green. The stands on the Alpha Bits are blue while the Post Toasties is purple/gray.

So the card with the red line to the border is off of a Alpha Bits box while the shorter line is from a Post Toasties box

[swarmee]

1963 Topps - [Base] #550 - High # - Duke Snider [BVG 6.5 EX‑MT+]
Courtesy of COMC.com

Recurring yellow streak in the inset photo, probably caused by the blue not getting there.

[ALR-bishop]

That 63 Snider is fairly scarce

[G1911]

1964 Topps Gene Stephens #308 can occasionally be found with a wide streak of green over his face.

[G1911]

1959 Topps #431 Whammy Douglas.

Both the yellow splotching and the black dotted lines in the bottom white border are recurring.

Whammy lost an eye as a child, but still made it to the major leagues. He only played int he majors in 1957 with the Pirates, never appearing in a game with the depicted team on his 1959 card.

[swarmee]

1951 Bowman - [Base] #307 - Walt Masterson
Courtesy of COMC.com

1951 Bowman - [Base] #307 - Walt Masterson
Courtesy of COMC.com

Left border is missing near shoulder. Recurring print defect. Both copies also have the same print defect in the line next to his mouth.

[ALR-bishop]

Good one John, and not too scarce

[John1941]

1964 Topps #135 Johnny Callison can be found with or without a light purple blotch over Callison's nose. The defect is slightly rare; it looks to me like four of the 36 copies of the card currently for sale on COMC have it.

[Elberson]

1969 topps 380 Stan bahnsen can be found with and without black line at bottom