The "auction" (for lack of a better word) is over. Look at what happened.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Runscott

The rationalization that goes on here, to justify 'getting neat stuff' is truly mind-boggling.

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Truly. But not surprising.

[MattyC]

I find a "holier-than-thou" vibe as troubling as shilling

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I find a "holier-than-thou" vibe as troubling as shilling

Not as troubling as a self-satisfied, too cool for school vibe.

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not as troubling as a self-satisfied, too cool for school vibe.

Depends on who you ask.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Depends on who you ask.

I had no intention of asking you, Todd.

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I had no intention of asking you, Todd.

Wise man--usually I would just say wise guy

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I find a "holier-than-thou" vibe as troubling as shilling

Nice deflection.

[MattyC]

I have nothing to deflect.

[Runscott]

This is really a non-productive discussion. I get it that some of you feel that it's fine to bid on shilled auctions. I won't continue trying to convince you not to, but please do not try to convince the rest of us that supporting such auctions is something that we should do. It's reminding me of the kid in the candy store who tries to convince the other kids that it's okay to steal because you can get away with it and no one will notice. It's true for shilled auctions as well, so I can't argue with such logic.

You guys knock yourself out with this - I've got better things to do.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I don't care about right and wrong, I just want to do what's best for ME.

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't care about right and wrong, I just want to do what's best for ME.

At first I thought you were being sarcastic, even without the appropriate emoticon. But then I see that this is consistent with what you said two years ago:

As a hobby issue, shill bidding is vastly overrated. It's unfortunate, but it's a fact of life, and the result isn't all that different from a hidden reserve. If I win a card at a price I am comfortable paying, I am not going to lose sleep about whether I was run up. There are far worse problems in the hobby, namely altered cards and fake memorabilia.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ghlight=hidden

Enlightened self-interest?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

At first I thought you were being sarcastic, even without the appropriate emoticon. But then I see that this is consistent with what you said two years ago:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ghlight=hidden

Enlightened self-interest?

Todd good cross my friend!! Seriously, my thinking definitely has evolved and I have no trouble admitting that. A couple of years ago I was troubled mostly by card doctoring and, perhaps naively, assumed shill bidding was confined to a few of the big name auction houses. I still am, of course, troubled by card doctoring. And continue to think it's the bigger issue. But as the evidence of suspicious auction after suspicious auction of certain ebay sellers has mounted, it has troubled and pissed me off increasingly, and I decided I just wouldn't bid in certain auctions any more because I did not want to support them, however trivial an impact that has.

[oddball]

[slipk1068]

I went over 8 months without bidding on any auctions from the 2 big ebay dealers that seem to condone shill bidding. This was 100% a result of what I learned from reading threads like this. Thank you all for outing fraud in our hobby.

I would see so many awesome cards up for auction and I would pass on them. So many cards sold for less than I was willing to pay, but it felt good to know I was standing on my principles and not supporting this behavior.

I fell off the wagon a few days ago. Fired about 10 snipes at cards that I liked and won 1. The card came in the mail today. I love the card, but I actually feel guilty like I did something wrong. Maybe you folks can tell me I did do something wrong and continue pointing out fraud with threads like this so hopefully, I wont fall off the wagon again.

[ALR-bishop]

And a mighty fine use of the word it was Doug