The "auction" (for lack of a better word) is over. Look at what happened.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

The only way to stop shilling is to pay what you believe a card is worth.

LOL, and the only way to stop home invasions is to leave all your valuables out on the lawn

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

LOL, and the only way to stop home invasions is to leave all your valuables out on the lawn

That would be one heck of a strategy! In all seriousness, 99% of these crazy shilled up auctions are the result of some fool bidding against himself (the shiller). If people would simply set a snipe to what they feel the card is worth then most of these situations would be avoided and the shill bidder will just keep winning the card.

Case in point, this Johnson card is worth maybe $1,100. If everyone sticks to what the card is worth then the card will just go back to the consignor/shiller. The consigner will (presumably) pay his consignment fees and consign the card again, it doesn't sell again and the process repeats itself. It will keep repeating itself until the consignor eventually doesn't shill and accepts that the card is only worth $1,100. It's the crazy bidders who NEED this card that create such a rampant shilling problem.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

The consigner will (presumably) pay his consignment fees ....

This wouldn't happen if the consignor shills under a 0 feedback account and becomes nonpaying bidder. Then what probably would happen would be that PWCC would give the underbidder a 2nd chance offer or re-list for the consignor in the next auction. Since PWCC didn't know the consignor was nonpaying bidder, they wouldn't charge a consignment fee.