T206 Dahlen HOF Price Impact - Seeking Opinions.

[bundy462]

Originally Posted by GregMitch34

Let's see today's pro b-ballers play where they're not routinely allowed to take an extra step to the basket. Just watch some old tape and you'll see giant difference.

Agree, it would be extremely interesting, and possibly embarrassing, to see today's basketball players play under the rules of say 30 years ago when the game was based more on skill than athleticism/power. Today's players constantly walk, carry the ball, etc. How many times during a standard NBA game do you see the player in bounding the ball after an opposing basket step on the line or not ever be out of bounds in the first place? It's disgusting. And the inside game...don't even get me started...does a guy like Shaq or Dwight Howard even make the league in 1980 when you're not allowed to use your size and strength to simply bowl guys over on offense and mug guys on defense?

I like how I started this thread as a T206 card value question and am now bitching about the NBA (sore spot for me, I love basketball but have almost completely stopped watching the NBA due to the current state of the game).

[t206hof]

Doesn't take much skill to stand there and dunk the ball, its crazy when people mention Shaq in great big men.

[bundy462]

Originally Posted by t206hof

Doesn't take much skill to stand there and dunk the ball, its crazy when people mention Shaq in great big men.

I'm 100% on board. Dominating within the way that they changed the entire face of enforcing the rules mainly based on him, absolutely. I've seen him play in person probably 10 times and it's jaw dropping the way he was allowed to throw around 7'1" of 350 pounds with no repercussion. The most dominating big man of all time, probably (again with perversion of the rules). The best basketball player among big men all time...not even in the conversation.

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by t206hof

Doesn't take much skill to stand there and dunk the ball, its crazy when people mention Shaq in great big men.

Just think of him as the basketball equivalent of Walter Johnson in the decade of the 2000s and all will be good.

[t206hof]

Exactly!!! It takes zero skill when you're 400 lbs and 7'1. I think it took a little more skill to pitch than dunk though haha

[slipk1068]

I don't disagree with you t206hof about Matty and Johnson being the greatest pitchers of all time. They completely dominated the era that they played in.

Where I disagree with you is the way you are slamming the modern players. You talk about how the modern players are "pampered." It is not fair to penalize them just because the game has evolved. Fact is, players as well as people in general are bigger, stronger, faster, and healthier today than they were 100 years ago.

I don't think it is fair to compare Matty to Koufax to Maddux or Cobb to Mays to Miguel Cabrerra. Compare any of them to the players they competed against. They dominated. Can't compare them against players from a different era. It wouldn't be fair to any of them. Different time, different place.

Yes Mariano belongs in the HOF on the first ballot with 100% of the votes. He dominated the era he played in same way Matty did. Not Mariano's fault that the game has evolved. He was the greatest closer of his era.