T206 Dahlen HOF Price Impact - Seeking Opinions.

[t206hof]

But what happened to pitchers actually completing games? It's long gone, and saves are a joke. A great starting pitcher it 10 times more valuable than a "closer".

[slipk1068]

Originally Posted by t206hof

But what happened to pitchers actually completing games? It's long gone, and saves are a joke.

This is such a typical comment when looking only at statistics like IP, CG, etc.

The game has evolved. Guys like Matty and Johnson could pitch WAY MORE INNINGS because the fact is, during the deadball era, pitchers didn't pitch hard until someone got to second base. They were almost lobbing the ball up there until someone was in scoring position. Maybe they would bear down when they had 2 strikes on the hitter, but they mostly conserved there arm until they needed it. Small ball.

This made a defensive SS like Dahlen mega valuable to his team.

[t206hof]

I understand it quite well. But I do not agree with it. It is a bunch of over managing, over paid players.

[t206hof]

Johnson was lobbing the ball??? It was dead ball, those guys were just trying to make contact. Johnson and Matty were by far the best two pitchers there ever will be.

[CMIZ5290]

Dahlen should be in, as well as Ed Reulbach.....Just my thoughts.

[t206hof]

Reulbach's ERA was very very good.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by t206hof

Reulbach's ERA was very very good.

+1...I dont know how he can be out... In addition to his amazing stats, he actually pitched consecutive 1-hitters in a double header game....Can you say amazing???

[rainier2004]

Its become the Hall of Very good...

[slipk1068]

Originally Posted by t206hof

Johnson was lobbing the ball??? It was dead ball, those guys were just trying to make contact. Johnson and Matty were by far the best two pitchers there ever will be.

Yes. They didn't bear down until they had 2 strikes or a runner in scoring position. Do you really think Wajo threw 500+ complete games at 100mph?

[howard38]

Originally Posted by t206hof

Johnson was lobbing the ball??? It was dead ball, those guys were just trying to make contact. Johnson and Matty were by far the best two pitchers there ever will be.

You don't have to take Slipk's word for it, you can read Matty himself describe conserving his energy for the tough spots in his book Pitching in a Pinch.

[t206hof]

Well if he conserved his energy and he still was the 2nd best pitcher in history, that says something about how good he actually was. Crazy good.

[t206hof]

But lobbing the ball is a little different than bearing down on some hitters and some situations.

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by t206hof

Well if he conserved his energy and he still was the 2nd best pitcher in history, that says something about how good he actually was. Crazy good.

And the fact that you didn't know that also says something. Go do some research so that you have something resembling facts to back up your opinion. Having a factual basis for your opinion often adds validity to what you say.