T206 HOF Candidates

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Cmon.


Hall Of Fame Statistics

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Black Ink Pitching - 13 (172), Average HOFer ≈ 40

Gray Ink Pitching - 123 (149), Average HOFer ≈ 185

Hall of Fame Monitor Pitching - 101 (98), Likely HOFer ≈ 100

Hall of Fame Standards Pitching - 44 (54), Average HOFer ≈ 50

JAWS Starting Pitcher (197th), 36.6 career WAR/32.3 7yr-peak WAR/34.5 JAWS
Average HOF P (out of 57) = 72.6 career WAR/50.2 7yr-peak WAR/61.4 JAWS

Peter- thanks for the info and stats...So how in the hell does Eppa Rixey get in the Hall??

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Peter- thanks for the info and stats...So how in the hell does Eppa Rixey get in the Hall??

Same could be asked for quite a few guys. There have been some really atrocious choices, and then the remedy seemed to be to vote more undeserving players in because they were as good or better than the ones who shouldn't have been voted in. The old slippery slope.

[CMIZ5290]

Agreed. Having said that, Eppa Rixey in this discussion is a joke. Record 266-251, ERA 3.18, and his strike out and walk totals are incredibly close 1,350 K's, 1,082 BB's....I'm missing something here.... Another one I dont understand is Rabbit Maranville....

[packs]

Well while I can't speak for his stats, Rixey was the winningest lefty in National League history when he retired. Must have been well liked amongst the voting committee for him to get in though.

[Bpm0014]

Reulbach IP 2632 K 1137 BB 892
Three Finger IP 3172 K 1375 BB 673

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Agreed. Having said that, Eppa Rixey in this discussion is a joke. Record 266-251, ERA 3.18, and his strike out and walk totals are incredibly close 1,350 K's, 1,082 BB's....I'm missing something here.... Another one I dont understand is Rabbit Maranville....

Maranville was a valuable player during his day. Again, if you like using WAR, defensively he is the 7th best player ever. He is the all-time leader in putouts at shortstop and no one in baseball history has as many assists as he does. That has to count for something, and really, it isn't even close between him and Ozzie Smith in second place. He got MVP votes in eight of the seasons he played and in nine seasons he played, they didn't have MVP votes.

With Rixey, they say he got a lot of attention when Spahn broke his record for wins by an NL lefty and they figured if Spahn was so great, how is the old record holder not in the Hall of Fame.

I sometimes wonder why people assume certain players don't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame when just a few years into the process they were put in there. Isn't it possible that the original people got it right and it's just changed over time due to newer voter errors? If that is true, then that doesn't make the older votes a mistake, it makes the people voting now wrong.

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by z28jd

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I sometimes wonder why people assume certain players don't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame when just a few years into the process they were put in there. Isn't it possible that the original people got it right and it's just changed over time due to newer voter errors? If that is true, then that doesn't make the older votes a mistake, it makes the people voting now wrong.

LOL. what I think it means is that the folks who want to weigh in now (hi Peter Speath) have zero idea what the important voting criteria was/were at the time. Tommy McCarthy may seem like a bad pick now, but I'm pretty sure he was elected because the voters in 1946 thought he deserved election. Its a pretty simple concept. What is deemed important now may not have been so much earlier.

[packs]

McCarthy is a head scratcher too. On the one hand he scored 100 runs 7 years in a row. On the other, nothing else is there really. But he may have also stolen many more bases than he is credited for.

From what I've read his selection had a lot to do with his contributions to the game. He is credited by some to have invented the hit and run play.

[leaflover]

When he was behind the plate the Cubs won! Kling was a winner!!
His numbers are just a bit short of Bresnahans.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by z28jd

I sometimes wonder why people assume certain players don't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame when just a few years into the process they were put in there. Isn't it possible that the original people got it right and it's just changed over time due to newer voter errors? If that is true, then that doesn't make the older votes a mistake, it makes the people voting now wrong.

If we didn't question it several years later than people like George “High Pockets” Kelly wouldn't be in the HOF

[Topps206]

Of the T206 players not in the Hall of Fame that I think should be in, four make the list: Gavvy Cravath, Bill Dahlen, Larry Doyle and Sherry Magee.