T206 HOF Candidates

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by daves_resale_shop

what about Gavvy Gravath???

Forgot about him. Sherry Magee too. I'd pick Magee over Cravath for pure body of work, but Cravath sure parked a few for his time period, even if many of them were in the Baker Bowl.

[ATP]

Larry Doyle was quite the player for a period of time and I hope at some point garners consideration.

[z28jd]

Dahlen missed election in Dec. 2012 by two votes from the Veteran's Committee. Assuming they use common sense and put him on the next ballot in Dec 2015, then he would be the leading candidate.

According to the voting process, each voter had up to four players they could choose and with 16 voters, that made a maximum total of 64 votes. Jacob Ruppert and Hank O'Day each got 15 votes, while Deacon White got 14, leaving a maximum of 20 other votes if everyone voted for four people. Dahlen got ten of those possible 20 votes, while the other six guys on the ballot all got less than three votes and obviously ten or less votes between all of them.

That would make Dahlen an overwhelming favorite to be elected in Dec 2015 using the common sense method. His biggest three challenges on the ballot are all off it now and enshrined.

No other T206 guys were on the ballot.

Just to clarify, I mentioned common sense twice, because this is the HOF we are talking about and they don't exactly have the best track record.

[Sean]

A couple guy beat me to it, but Dahlen is the most deserving.

[t206hof]

In my opinion Dahlen should not be in. There are just too many people in that do not belong. It should be the absolute best players and its not.

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by t206hof

In my opinion Dahlen should not be in. There are just too many people in that do not belong. It should be the absolute best players and its not.

SABR people have got into the head of the voters and Dahlen ranks 45th all-time in WAR. All these people who are jumping to put Derek Jeter in on the first ballot(which he should be) should be pushing Dahlen in ahead of him because he was the better player at the same position.

If you go by WAR, Dahlen was the seventh best position player in the first 40 years of baseball, that is top of the class.

[Bpm0014]

Tannehill. Reulbach. Geo Mullin. Quinn. All have decent stats with decent ERAs.

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by t206hof

In my opinion Dahlen should not be in. There are just too many people in that do not belong. It should be the absolute best players and its not.

LOL, that dream ended in 1946 and its a tired argument. Dahlen would bring up the quality of the hall, particularly at SS, not decrease it. That is also true for many others, such as Magee, against whom the same argument is made.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

LOL, that dream ended in 1946 and its a tired argument. Dahlen would bring up the quality of the hall, particularly at SS, not decrease it. That is also true for many others, such as Magee, against whom the same argument is made.

Here is my argument against Magee. 1951 was plenty of time to judge him, and his .291 batting average.

Hall of Fame
1937 BBWAA ( 1.0%)
1938 BBWAA ( 0.8%)
1939 BBWAA ( 0.4%)
1942 BBWAA ( 0.4%)
1945 BBWAA ( 0.4%)
1946 Nominating Vote ( 0.5%)
1950 BBWAA ( 0.6%)
1951 BBWAA ( 0.9%)

But let me add this, for context.

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EDIT TO ADD I wouldn't vote for Dahlen, but given his ranking as the 10th best SS under the JAWS system, it at least wouldn't be a joke.

[CMIZ5290]

Ed Reulbach is another pitcher that should definitely be in the Hall.... Would love to see comparable stats between him and 3 Finger Brown....Does anyone have those handy?

[wonkaticket]

Dahlen & Rucker....or any other common I own with a tougher back would be ok by me too.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

Forgot about him. Sherry Magee too. I'd pick Magee over Cravath for pure body of work, but Cravath sure parked a few for his time period, even if many of them were in the Baker Bowl.

Cravath's power was purely the result of the ridiculousness of Baker Bowl. As an example, in 1914, he led the National League in home runs with 19. All 19 of Cravath's home runs that year occurred at Baker Bowl. For his career, Cravath never hit more than five home runs on the road in any season. Seventy-eight percent of Cravath's career home runs occurred at Baker Bowl.

http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/35282ccd

[wolf441]

He's not even close to deserving consideration, but if you look at Nap Rucker's career numbers, you can't help wondering where he might have wound up had he been with a better team.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by wolf441

He's not even close to deserving consideration, but if you look at Nap Rucker's career numbers, you can't help wondering where he might have wound up had he been with a better team.

That view was shared by Mother Rucker.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

That view was shared by Mother Rucker.

Frank, don't be such a Mother Rucker.

Brian (Pun Puckerer)

[baker85]

I'm glad someone mentioned dineen. He should be in. He is already a pseudo hall of famer because he made the hall of fame honor roll one year.Just transition him in already.

[btcarfagno]

Sherry Magee should be in the Hall without question. Forget counting stats. His lifetime 137 OPS+ shows what kind of offensive force he was. Such a forgotten superstar.

Tom C