Heritage Wins?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by phikappapsi

Made my first dip into HA last night with this one... anyone else get their desired lot(s) last night?

Great card at a good price. It looks like the first SGC88 sold for around 29k, the second one sold for around 19k and then this one around 15.5k....nicely done.

[phikappapsi]

Originally Posted by Leon

Great card at a good price. It looks like the first SGC88 sold for around 29k, the second one sold for around 19k and then this one around 15.5k....nicely done.

Thanks Leon... I think the prices will level off as the Swamp find is sold through... Obviously the first honus Auction had the most demand, and subsequently less as 1 bidder eliminates themselves from the demand side per win.

Once the find is liquidated though, and all the high grades end up in private hands, I think the demand will rachet back up again in a big way. How many will sell per year? 1-2 maybe at first then even less.

The rarity of the E98 is just as scarce as the T206, and I think the find is just as intriguing a story... Long term I think all of these BSF cards have huge potential. $249K for the Mint Wags, well over 6 figures for the Cobb. As time goes on, i think those figures get stronger.

[hshrimps]

"Great card at a good price. It looks like the first SGC88 sold for around 29k, the second one sold for around 19k and then this one around 15.5k....nicely done."

Are you saying the price will keep on dropping? I think there are 20+ of similar Wagner out there from the found.

[phikappapsi]

Originally Posted by hshrimps

"Great card at a good price. It looks like the first SGC88 sold for around 29k, the second one sold for around 19k and then this one around 15.5k....nicely done."

Are you saying the price will keep on dropping? I think there are 20+ of similar Wagner out there from the found.

prices are leveling out... The first few always sell the highest, because demand is highest, the market levels out after that (which is where I think it is now)

but again, a population of 22 cards, does not an open floodgate make. Once those 2 dozen or so end up in private hands, I'd assume you'll see prices rocket upward.

[ullmandds]

PErsonally...I don't see the BSF cards all being tucked away in collections never to see the light of day. I see them more as a novelty...with some suspicion as to their authenticity. I see them as objects desirable to the speculator...and I believe there will be a constant buying and selling/reselling of them in the future. I for one believe they are all real...but I don't see prices going to aforementioned levels due to the sheer amount of them out there and the much smaller demand for e98 as compared to other issues such as t206.

[slidekellyslide]

There has to be a demand...there are a ton of cards that are rarer than a T-206 Wagner, but will never attain T-206 Wagner stature. I agree with Pete, these will likely be passed around for a long time.

[phikappapsi]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

PErsonally...I don't see the BSF cards all being tucked away in collections never to see the light of day. I see them more as a novelty...with some suspicion as to their authenticity. I see them as objects desirable to the speculator...and I believe there will be a constant buying and selling/reselling of them in the future. I for one believe they are all real...but I don't see prices going to aforementioned levels due to the sheer amount of them out there and the much smaller demand for e98 as compared to other issues such as t206.

My point was specific to the wagner. T206 built up the "brand" of Honus Wagner. PSA has a population report of 34 Total T206 Wagners. There are 35 PSA E98 Wagners from BSF.

I'm not saying you'll ever see Multi-Million dollar E98s. I'm just saying they are nearly as "rare" even though the availability of them right now seems so much higher.

Absolutely agree you'll see a lot of speculation for the foreseeable few years, but eventaully these Cards will settle into a "forever home" as mine has. And the BSF story to me makes these cards "interesting" from a collectors stanpoint, they have a story, a history.

The combination of the Wagner brand name, the relative scarcity, and the intrigue of the story... In my opinion form a dynamic that in 20+ years could make these cards somewhat-similarly sought after.


As for me though, I bought this to be my newborn Son's first baseball card. I don't anticipate it leaving my family until I die, and then he can decide if he wants to pass it down, or sell it. To me, it's just a good thing to help him eventually learn the history of the hobby/baseball.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by phikappapsi

My point was specific to the wagner. T206 built up the "brand" of Honus Wagner. PSA has a population report of 34 Total T206 Wagners. There are 35 PSA E98 Wagners from BSF.

I'm not saying you'll ever see Multi-Million dollar E98s. I'm just saying they are nearly as "rare" even though the availability of them right now seems so much higher.

Absolutely agree you'll see a lot of speculation for the foreseeable few years, but eventaully these Cards will settle into a "forever home" as mine has. And the BSF story to me makes these cards "interesting" from a collectors stanpoint, they have a story, a history.

The combination of the Wagner brand name, the relative scarcity, and the intrigue of the story... In my opinion form a dynamic that in 20+ years could make these cards somewhat-similarly sought after.


As for me though, I bought this to be my newborn Son's first baseball card. I don't anticipate it leaving my family until I die, and then he can decide if he wants to pass it down, or sell it. To me, it's just a good thing to help him eventually learn the history of the hobby/baseball.

Congrats on a very nice pickup, but your second to last statement is a pipe dream IMO. No card will ever have the mystique of the T206 Wagner. If there is, the only card that I think ever has a chance is the Baltimore News Ruth. There are rarer Honus Wagner cards than the T206 and yet the T206 still commands 10-50X the price of those others.

[caramelcard]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

PErsonally...I don't see the BSF cards all being tucked away in collections never to see the light of day. I see them more as a novelty...with some suspicion as to their authenticity. I see them as objects desirable to the speculator...and I believe there will be a constant buying and selling/reselling of them in the future. I for one believe they are all real...but I don't see prices going to aforementioned levels due to the sheer amount of them out there and the much smaller demand for e98 as compared to other issues such as t206.

Who thinks they're not real? Nothing to be suspicious about.

[ullmandds]

[QUOTE=caramelcard;1246961]Who thinks they're not real? Nothing to be suspicious about.[/QUOT
I kinda remember a poll here where numerous members questioned the authenticity of the BSF cards.