Heritage Wins?

[ullmandds]

PErsonally...I don't see the BSF cards all being tucked away in collections never to see the light of day. I see them more as a novelty...with some suspicion as to their authenticity. I see them as objects desirable to the speculator...and I believe there will be a constant buying and selling/reselling of them in the future. I for one believe they are all real...but I don't see prices going to aforementioned levels due to the sheer amount of them out there and the much smaller demand for e98 as compared to other issues such as t206.

[slidekellyslide]

There has to be a demand...there are a ton of cards that are rarer than a T-206 Wagner, but will never attain T-206 Wagner stature. I agree with Pete, these will likely be passed around for a long time.

[phikappapsi]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

PErsonally...I don't see the BSF cards all being tucked away in collections never to see the light of day. I see them more as a novelty...with some suspicion as to their authenticity. I see them as objects desirable to the speculator...and I believe there will be a constant buying and selling/reselling of them in the future. I for one believe they are all real...but I don't see prices going to aforementioned levels due to the sheer amount of them out there and the much smaller demand for e98 as compared to other issues such as t206.

My point was specific to the wagner. T206 built up the "brand" of Honus Wagner. PSA has a population report of 34 Total T206 Wagners. There are 35 PSA E98 Wagners from BSF.

I'm not saying you'll ever see Multi-Million dollar E98s. I'm just saying they are nearly as "rare" even though the availability of them right now seems so much higher.

Absolutely agree you'll see a lot of speculation for the foreseeable few years, but eventaully these Cards will settle into a "forever home" as mine has. And the BSF story to me makes these cards "interesting" from a collectors stanpoint, they have a story, a history.

The combination of the Wagner brand name, the relative scarcity, and the intrigue of the story... In my opinion form a dynamic that in 20+ years could make these cards somewhat-similarly sought after.


As for me though, I bought this to be my newborn Son's first baseball card. I don't anticipate it leaving my family until I die, and then he can decide if he wants to pass it down, or sell it. To me, it's just a good thing to help him eventually learn the history of the hobby/baseball.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by phikappapsi

My point was specific to the wagner. T206 built up the "brand" of Honus Wagner. PSA has a population report of 34 Total T206 Wagners. There are 35 PSA E98 Wagners from BSF.

I'm not saying you'll ever see Multi-Million dollar E98s. I'm just saying they are nearly as "rare" even though the availability of them right now seems so much higher.

Absolutely agree you'll see a lot of speculation for the foreseeable few years, but eventaully these Cards will settle into a "forever home" as mine has. And the BSF story to me makes these cards "interesting" from a collectors stanpoint, they have a story, a history.

The combination of the Wagner brand name, the relative scarcity, and the intrigue of the story... In my opinion form a dynamic that in 20+ years could make these cards somewhat-similarly sought after.


As for me though, I bought this to be my newborn Son's first baseball card. I don't anticipate it leaving my family until I die, and then he can decide if he wants to pass it down, or sell it. To me, it's just a good thing to help him eventually learn the history of the hobby/baseball.

Congrats on a very nice pickup, but your second to last statement is a pipe dream IMO. No card will ever have the mystique of the T206 Wagner. If there is, the only card that I think ever has a chance is the Baltimore News Ruth. There are rarer Honus Wagner cards than the T206 and yet the T206 still commands 10-50X the price of those others.

[phikappapsi]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Congrats on a very nice pickup, but your second to last statement is a pipe dream IMO. No card will ever have the mystique of the T206 Wagner. If there is, the only card that I think ever has a chance is the Baltimore News Ruth. There are rarer Honus Wagner cards than the T206 and yet the T206 still commands 10-50X the price of those others.

I said "somewhat similarly" one already sold for $249K(which I thought was crazy) so you can't say the E98's aren't already in the landscape.

Again, I agree there are more rare exemplars... None of them have the story. The T206 story took 50+ years to really get a foothold, and the "mystery" of the short run is most of the mystique.

The Black Swamp Find, in my mind will in time be it's own legend.

it won't be at the levels of T206, or for that matter the BN ruth, but i certainly think this "legend" has room to grow also.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by phikappapsi

again, I said "somewhat similarly" one already sold for $249K(which I thought was crazy) so you can't say the E98's aren't already in the landscape.

Again, I agree there are more rare exemplars... None of them have the story. The T206 story took 50+ years to really get a foothold, and the "mystery" of the short run is most of the mystique.

The Black Swamp Find, in my mind will in time be it's own legend.

Again, not at the levels of T206, or for that matter the BN ruth, but i certainly think this "legend" has room to grow also.

As someone who collects some scarce cards, and has for 15+ years, I can safely say, unequivocally, the demand side of the value equation is the most important, by far. The BSF Wags that sold for the 249k was the best card in the find. It might have some room to grow being the very best of the whole thing. The rest of them, I am less inclined to think will go up. But they are beautiful cards and that Wags shown at 15k isn't a bad deal. It's already gone down 10k from the initial sale.....buy low, sell high >


btw, this Wags is probably more than 10x as rare as a T206 Wags but not worth 1/100th of one

[ullmandds]

Regardless of what happens...great pick up Joe...and a really cool thing to get for your son that I'm sure he will someday cherish!

[phikappapsi]

Thanks Pete. That's my line of thinking. If it's never worth a dime again, I for one really liked the story.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Regardless of what happens...great pick up Joe...and a really cool thing to get for your son that I'm sure he will someday cherish!

+1

That's a beautiful card.

[caramelcard]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

PErsonally...I don't see the BSF cards all being tucked away in collections never to see the light of day. I see them more as a novelty...with some suspicion as to their authenticity. I see them as objects desirable to the speculator...and I believe there will be a constant buying and selling/reselling of them in the future. I for one believe they are all real...but I don't see prices going to aforementioned levels due to the sheer amount of them out there and the much smaller demand for e98 as compared to other issues such as t206.

Who thinks they're not real? Nothing to be suspicious about.

[ullmandds]

[QUOTE=caramelcard;1246961]Who thinks they're not real? Nothing to be suspicious about.[/QUOT
I kinda remember a poll here where numerous members questioned the authenticity of the BSF cards.