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[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

Who does it apply to?

Sean, I have no beef with you. You and I have done some deals together and you were always fair and honest to deal with, but I feel like you’re being hypocritical here. The very same day you posted this thread, there was another thread on the B/S/T for a 1952 Topps Robinson and Mays. The board member that offered them for sale was listing them on someone else’s behalf (not a Net54 member). They were $610 each delivered or both for $1210.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=182289

One of our own board members committed to buy them. The deal was already agreed upon. I’m not going to mention his name because I don’t want to drag him into this (unless he chimes in). Then you inquired about the same cards and were told they were sold. Once you learned they were sold, you offered the seller $1300, $90 more than his asking price knowing they were already sold. The slime ball seller agreed to your offer reneging on his other deal. There is a bit more to the story, but the rest of it isn’t relevant to my point.

Here is what I don’t understand. Why do you think it’s wrong for Mike (the subject of this thread) not to follow through on a commitment to you, but you think it’s okay for the seller of the 1952 Topps not to follow through on his commitment to the board member who agreed to buy them first? You can’t say you didn’t know the deal was already agreed upon, because you did know and that’s why you offered more money than the asking price. Again, Sean, I don’t want to start an argument, but it’s kind of hypocritical to start a thread for Mike not honoring his commitment, but on that very same day you didn’t have a problem with the seller of the ’52 Topps not honoring his.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I don't know the facts, but as a hypothetical I certainly agree with David that it would be bad form to knowingly try to get a seller to back out of an agreed upon deal and equally bad form for a seller to renege upon receipt of a better offer.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't know the facts, but as a hypothetical I certainly agree with David that it would be bad form to knowingly try to get a seller to back out of an agreed upon deal and equally bad form for a seller to renege upon receipt of a better offer.

+1

If the above scenario played out as relayed by David, truly bad form by both IMO.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

+1

If the above scenario played out as relayed by David, truly bad form by both IMO.

It didn't.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Sean, when you were told the cards were sold, that should have been the end of it. There was nothing else to say. Instead, you offered the seller more money than his asking price after you were told they were sold. Are you denying you did that?

[Sean1125]

You have one side of a story I was told he was getting these cards at the original purchase price and nothing more. what happened in between is moot. I took care of him in the end which you conveniently forgot.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

I took care of him in the end which you conveniently forgot.

I didn't forget it. It's not relevant to my point. My point is you shouldn't have interferred to begin with. Bottom line is this, Sean. Did cammb get the cards he agreed to purchase, and, if not, was it a result of your interference?

[itjclarke]

I had something similar to David's story happen to me over a card (1961 Fleer Chamberlain rookie) being sold on the board a few weeks ago. Not making any accusations, because I don't know anyone's but my own perspective... but the seller was not very open about the precise circumstances, when offers came in, etc, but I will say it annoyed me and seemed fishy. If the buyer of that card happens to read this, please PM as I'd be curious to know how it went down.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by itjclarke

If the buyer of that card happens to read this, please PM as I'd be curious to know how it went down.

Somehow, I think he's already read it.
Whether or not he'll PM you is another story.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Sean, when you were told the cards were sold, that should have been the end of it. There was nothing else to say. Instead, you offered the seller more money than his asking price after you were told they were sold. Are you denying you did that?

Not trying to get in the middle of this, but is everyone denying that that they have never offered a seller more money for an item that they said was sold??

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Not trying to get in the middle of this, but is everyone denying that that they have never offered a seller more money for an item that they said was sold??

I never have...and I'd consider it a pretty douchy move. but I'm sure many on here have.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Not trying to get in the middle of this, but is everyone denying that that they have never offered a seller more money for an item that they said was sold??

Maybe not everyone, but I sure am. I've never done that. It's a crappy thing to do.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Not trying to get in the middle of this, but is everyone denying that that they have never offered a seller more money for an item that they said was sold??

Never done it.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Not trying to get in the middle of this, but is everyone denying that that they have never offered a seller more money for an item that they said was sold??

Count me as having never done that, or even thought about it.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Not trying to get in the middle of this, but is everyone denying that that they have never offered a seller more money for an item that they said was sold??

Can't recall ever doing this (but I am very old).

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Not trying to get in the middle of this, but is everyone denying that that they have never offered a seller more money for an item that they said was sold??

Never done this, though have contacted the seller a handful of times (usually if I forgot to bid at auction's end) to say "if for any reason the buyer backs out or returns the item, I'd be very interested..." Have never gotten lucky, but figure there's little harm in that. I would never try to talk someone out of a deal he's already committed to.

David- we'll see if anyone reaches out

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Not trying to get in the middle of this, but is everyone denying that that they have never offered a seller more money for an item that they said was sold??

I will admit I have done this a couple times. Both times related to snipes that didn't go through.

The first was for a group of 1960's and 1970's empty Topps display boxes. Most of them were pretty common, but there was a very desirable 1971 Topps Contest Ten-Cent display box. Here is the same type of box. It was obvious this man didn't know what he had. I placed a snipe for $1,400 (or so) and went out to dinner. When I came home I saw the lot ended for $300 but I didn't win. Apparently several forum members had sniping difficulties that night.

I offered him $1,000 after the auction ended for the lot, but he never got back to me.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Not trying to get in the middle of this, but is everyone denying that that they have never offered a seller more money for an item that they said was sold??

Nope haven't done it....

[drmondobueno]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Not trying to get in the middle of this, but is everyone denying that that they have never offered a seller more money for an item that they said was sold??

Yep. Never done that.

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Not trying to get in the middle of this, but is everyone denying that that they have never offered a seller more money for an item that they said was sold??

Sorry Kevin, my perfect-o-meter won't let me do it...

I have however, offered less for an item on several occasions


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[glchen]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Not trying to get in the middle of this, but is everyone denying that that they have never offered a seller more money for an item that they said was sold??

I don't think I've done this before, but when negotiating w/ a seller which has multiple other buyers in the mix, I've definitely asked a seller to give me a chance beat the best offer he gets.

[Sean1125]

David,

I believe you should get your facts straight before making posts like that.

Since cammb felt it necessary to 'out' me, only telling a partial truth, I will tell the rest.


There is much, much more to it, but here are the filler facts as to what you released:

When cammb told me that he had to increase his offer (I was under the impression he was still being sold the cards for $1210 - I have messages to prove this). I sent him $90 that same day (completely out of pocket, I got nothing in return) so that he could purchase those cards for $1210.

The kicker? He didn't even purchase the cards.