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vintagetoppsguy · #1 02-01-2014, 04:58 PM

Sean, when you were told the cards were sold, that should have been the end of it. There was nothing else to say. Instead, you offered the seller more money than his asking price after you were told they were sold. Are you denying you did that?

Sean1125 · #2 02-01-2014, 05:06 PM

You have one side of a story I was told he was getting these cards at the original purchase price and nothing more. what happened in between is moot. I took care of him in the end which you conveniently forgot.

vintagetoppsguy · #3 02-01-2014, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean1125

I took care of him in the end which you conveniently forgot.

I didn't forget it. It's not relevant to my point. My point is you shouldn't have interferred to begin with. Bottom line is this, Sean. Did cammb get the cards he agreed to purchase, and, if not, was it a result of your interference?

Sean1125 · #4 02-01-2014, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I didn't forget it. It's not relevant to my point. My point is you shouldn't have interferred to begin with. Bottom line is this, Sean. Did cammb get the cards he agreed to purchase, and, if not, was it a result of your interference?

He could have purchased the cards for $1210. That was the entire purpose of me sending him the $90. I made a mistake, realized I made a mistake, apologized and did the most I could to fix the situation. You would need to ask cam why he did not purchase when even if he sent the full price (1300) he would be at his net offer of 1210.

Sitting down for dinner with grandparents will resume our argument later.

Piratedogcardshows · #5 02-01-2014, 05:43 PM

And im sure he accepted your apology like you did the subject of the thread.Will it happen again?Only time will tell lol

slidekellyslide · #6 02-01-2014, 05:45 PM

I believe if I saw something that was sold I'd ask the new owner if he wanted to make a quick flip for a profit.

Peter_Spaeth · #7 02-01-2014, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I believe if I saw something that was sold I'd ask the new owner if he wanted to make a quick flip for a profit.

I plead guilty to having done that.

MyGuyTy · #8 02-02-2014, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I believe if I saw something that was sold I'd ask the new owner if he wanted to make a quick flip for a profit.

I've done this as well, even sold cards that I recently bought because somebody else really needed the card. I have never and will never try to go behind someone's back to weasel a card they're about to buy.

itjclarke · #9 02-01-2014, 05:11 PM

I had something similar to David's story happen to me over a card (1961 Fleer Chamberlain rookie) being sold on the board a few weeks ago. Not making any accusations, because I don't know anyone's but my own perspective... but the seller was not very open about the precise circumstances, when offers came in, etc, but I will say it annoyed me and seemed fishy. If the buyer of that card happens to read this, please PM as I'd be curious to know how it went down.

vintagetoppsguy · #10 02-01-2014, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by itjclarke

If the buyer of that card happens to read this, please PM as I'd be curious to know how it went down.

Somehow, I think he's already read it.

Whether or not he'll PM you is another story.

CMIZ5290 · #11 02-01-2014, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Sean, when you were told the cards were sold, that should have been the end of it. There was nothing else to say. Instead, you offered the seller more money than his asking price after you were told they were sold. Are you denying you did that?

Not trying to get in the middle of this, but is everyone denying that that they have never offered a seller more money for an item that they said was sold??

ullmandds · #12 02-01-2014, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Not trying to get in the middle of this, but is everyone denying that that they have never offered a seller more money for an item that they said was sold??

I never have...and I'd consider it a pretty douchy move. but I'm sure many on here have.

vintagetoppsguy · #13 02-01-2014, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Not trying to get in the middle of this, but is everyone denying that that they have never offered a seller more money for an item that they said was sold??

Maybe not everyone, but I sure am. I've never done that. It's a crappy thing to do.

Peter_Spaeth · #14 02-01-2014, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Not trying to get in the middle of this, but is everyone denying that that they have never offered a seller more money for an item that they said was sold??

Never done it.

CMIZ5290 · #15 02-01-2014, 05:40 PM

Fair enough, I stand corrected....I know that it has happened to me a few times.

slidekellyslide · #16 02-01-2014, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Not trying to get in the middle of this, but is everyone denying that that they have never offered a seller more money for an item that they said was sold??

Count me as having never done that, or even thought about it.

ullmandds · #17 02-01-2014, 05:42 PM

well Kevin...have you? now be honest!

CMIZ5290 · #18 02-01-2014, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds

well Kevin...have you? now be honest!

Pete- Yes, one time that I remember. I was negotiating for a couple of weeks with a seller that had a low pop., PSA 8 T206. We went back and forth on negotiations, and he sent me an email with a buying commitment from another potential buyer. The guy had bad feedback with Ebay, and the seller had really been stringing me along for a long period of time. He was also concerned about credibility with the other guy, and he agreed to a $250 increase for a quick transaction. Guilty as charged on this one particular incident....I don't know that under the circumstances, there was a lot of fault here....

EvilKing00 · #19 02-01-2014, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Count me as having never done that, or even thought about it.

I have never tried to kill someones deal. And i wouldnt want that done to me.

HRBAKER · #20 02-01-2014, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Not trying to get in the middle of this, but is everyone denying that that they have never offered a seller more money for an item that they said was sold??

Can't recall ever doing this (but I am very old).

Sean1125 · #21 02-01-2014, 07:56 PM

I guess it's no joke when I say 'highest prices paid'.

itjclarke · #22 02-01-2014, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Not trying to get in the middle of this, but is everyone denying that that they have never offered a seller more money for an item that they said was sold??

Never done this, though have contacted the seller a handful of times (usually if I forgot to bid at auction's end) to say "if for any reason the buyer backs out or returns the item, I'd be very interested..." Have never gotten lucky, but figure there's little harm in that. I would never try to talk someone out of a deal he's already committed to.

David- we'll see if anyone reaches out

jhs5120 · #23 02-01-2014, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Not trying to get in the middle of this, but is everyone denying that that they have never offered a seller more money for an item that they said was sold??

I will admit I have done this a couple times. Both times related to snipes that didn't go through.

The first was for a group of 1960's and 1970's empty Topps display boxes. Most of them were pretty common, but there was a very desirable 1971 Topps Contest Ten-Cent display box. Here is the same type of box. It was obvious this man didn't know what he had. I placed a snipe for $1,400 (or so) and went out to dinner. When I came home I saw the lot ended for $300 but I didn't win. Apparently several forum members had sniping difficulties that night.

I offered him $1,000 after the auction ended for the lot, but he never got back to me.

vintagetoppsguy · #24 02-01-2014, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jhs5120

I offered him $1,000 after the auction ended for the lot, but he never got back to me.

Jason, you have to put yourself in the buyer's shoes though. What if it would have been you that won it for $300 and thought you got a really good deal, only to have someone else email the seller afterwards offering more money? It wouldn't feel good if it happened to you. I'm not trying to chastise you for it, just giving you another perspective.

Also, you don't know what that buyer's proxy was. He could have had a $1500 proxy, but just didn't get outbid and won it considerably cheaper. And, maybe that seller did consider your $1000 offer and told the winner that he had a better offer to try and squeeze more money out of the buyer.

jhs5120 · #25 02-01-2014, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Jason, you have to put yourself in the buyer's shoes though. What if it would have been you that won it for $300 and thought you got a really good deal, only to have someone else email the seller afterwards offering more money? It wouldn't feel good if it happened to you. I'm not trying to chastise you for it, just giving you another perspective.

Also, you don't know what that buyer's proxy was. He could have had a $1500 proxy, but just didn't get outbid and won it considerably cheaper. And, maybe that seller did consider your $1000 offer and told the winner that he had a better offer to try and squeeze more money out of the buyer.

I fully appreciate this and do not condone the action one bit. Out of my 1,000's of transactions on ebay, the BST forum and everywhere else only one example stood out. On a side note, I KNOW I would have been outbid because Mark Theotikos was the winning bidder

wonkaticket · #26 02-01-2014, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Not trying to get in the middle of this, but is everyone denying that that they have never offered a seller more money for an item that they said was sold??

Nope haven't done it....

3-2-count · #27 02-01-2014, 09:32 PM

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Nope haven't done it....

Me either.

cammb · #28 02-01-2014, 09:42 PM

First of all, Sean, I didn't "out" you. I just told my story to Dave. I did commend you for offering me $90 for the trouble You caused and accepted your money as sort of a peace offering. I told you that as far as I was concerned it was over. I didn't purchase the cards because that slug upped the price. I told him to shove the cards. I guess you didn't purchase them either. Dave's argument with you is that he sees ann hypocrisy with one of your posts and was using my bad experience as an example.

To.ny Bivi.ano

drmondobueno · #29 02-01-2014, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Not trying to get in the middle of this, but is everyone denying that that they have never offered a seller more money for an item that they said was sold??

Yep. Never done that.

freakhappy · #30 02-01-2014, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Not trying to get in the middle of this, but is everyone denying that that they have never offered a seller more money for an item that they said was sold??

Sorry Kevin, my perfect-o-meter won't let me do it...

I have however, offered less for an item on several occasions

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itjclarke · #31 02-02-2014, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by freakhappy

Sorry Kevin, my perfect-o-meter won't let me do it...

I have however, offered less for an item on several occasions

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Has that ever worked?? If so, I'm following your formula from here on out Mike

itjclarke · #32 02-02-2014, 01:07 AM

Btw- since no one's PMd, I'll just ask straight up... Sean-- did you end up with the Chamberlain? If not, no worries... If so, that transaction annoyed me big time.. I'd been offering on that card for 9 days, then someone clearly swooped and one (or two) upped me

Sean1125 · #33 02-02-2014, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by itjclarke

Btw- since no one's PMd, I'll just ask straight up... Sean-- did you end up with the Chamberlain? If not, no worries... If so, that transaction annoyed me big time.. I'd been offering on that card for 9 days, then someone clearly swooped and one (or two) upped me

I have no idea what card you are talking about. No, I did not end up with this card or even make an offer on it.

Peter_Spaeth · #34 02-02-2014, 07:45 AM

If cambb did not purchase the cards, it seems to me he should not keep Sean's $90 whether or not Sean interfered with his purchase.

itjclarke · #35 02-02-2014, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean1125

I have no idea what card you are talking about. No, I did not end up with this card or even make an offer on it.

You definitely made an offer on on the Chamberlain by way of an "I'll take it" post. I wouldn't have suspected you of anything or asked you about this (though do I suspect someone came in and made a higher offer after mine), until I read about the Robinson/Mays story.

glchen · #36 02-02-2014, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Not trying to get in the middle of this, but is everyone denying that that they have never offered a seller more money for an item that they said was sold??

I don't think I've done this before, but when negotiating w/ a seller which has multiple other buyers in the mix, I've definitely asked a seller to give me a chance beat the best offer he gets.

slidekellyslide · #37 02-02-2014, 10:09 AM

Can someone give the precise timeline of events that took place here? Did Sean interfere with this sale? Neither guy ended up with the cards so what happened?

Sean1125 · #38 02-02-2014, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Can someone give the precise timeline of events that took place here? Did Sean interfere with this sale? Neither guy ended up with the cards so what happened?

You will find the answers to your questions if you read through the thread...

Peter_Spaeth · #39 02-02-2014, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Can someone give the precise timeline of events that took place here? Did Sean interfere with this sale? Neither guy ended up with the cards so what happened?

I think it's something like this although I could be wrong.

Owner asks Blackie to sell cards on 54.

Cambb makes Blackie offer that is accepted.

Sean contacts Blackie, learns of deal, (or vice versa) and makes higher offer.

Blackie feels obligated to communicate higher offer to owner.

Owner instructs Blackie to take higher offer or get more from Cambb.

Cambb finds out what happened, rips Sean.

Sean backs down, sends Cambb the difference, but Cambb refuses deal at higher price but keeps Sean's money anyway.

slidekellyslide · #40 02-02-2014, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think it's something like this although I could be wrong.

Owner asks Blackie to sell cards on 54.

Cambb makes Blackie offer that is accepted.

Sean contacts Blackie, learns of deal, (or vice versa) and makes higher offer.

Blackie feels obligated to communicate higher offer to owner.

Owner instructs Blackie to take higher offer or get more from Cambb.

Cambb finds out what happened, rips Sean.

Sean backs down, sends Cambb the difference, but Cambb refuses deal at higher price but keeps Sean's money anyway.

Thanks, that's how I read it too...So Sean did interfere in a BST transaction.

Sean1125 · #41 02-02-2014, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Thanks, that's how I read it too...So Sean did interfere in a BST transaction.

You seem to be conveniently forgetting that the person who the issue was with stated himself it was taken care of.

cammb · #42 02-02-2014, 11:08 AM

Pete, everything you stated happened in that exact timeline. I have to clear up one thing . I took Sean's money because I was originally offered it to back out of the deal. I didn't take to make up the difference in the asking price. I am of the opinion if a seller posts an asking price and that price is met then it should be sold at that price regardless if the seller received another price. This is not an auction but in a sense, a buy it now.