Brutal PSA Poppage

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Mrvintage

I see your point Jeff, but at the same time just because the pop report says there are X number of cards in a particular grade that doesn't mean that those cards are truly available. Shouldn't supply and demand still determine the value of cards rather than the pop report? For instance lets say that you want a particular card in PSA 9 grade. Just because the pop report says there are 15 of them and you rarely see the card available is that going to influence your buying price when one becomes available? I'm not trying to start an argument just asking an honest question?

When I was collecting high grade 50s sets, when I saw a card for sale with a pop 1 in PSA 9, I usually would spend significantly more than when the card had a pop 8 -- even if I hadn't seen it around in PSA 9 recently. I presumed that eventually the others would come about so I wouldn't spend nearly as much. And when I sold my common PSA 9 pop 1s they sold for a hell of a lot more than those which had populations of 5, 6 or 9. Not even close.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

When I was collecting high grade 50s sets, when I saw a card for sale with a pop 1 in PSA 9, I usually would spend significantly more than when the card had a pop 8 -- even if I hadn't seen it around in PSA 9 recently. I presumed that eventually the others would come about so I wouldn't spend nearly as much. And when I sold my common PSA 9 pop 1s they sold for a hell of a lot more than those which had populations of 5, 6 or 9. Not even close.

That'll learn ya for collecting high grade sets. Those 9s are probably all hacked up anyway.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

That'll learn ya for collecting high grade sets. Those 9s are probably all hacked up anyway.

Sadly, as long as it's in a holder does it really matter?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

Sadly, as long as it's in a holder does it really matter?

Nope. Thus, the pervasive doctoring of cards.

[joeadcock]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

....doctoring....

Them darn doctors

[Mrvintage]

Originally Posted by joeadcock

Them darn doctors

First off let me say that I don't feel like anyone is accusing me of doctoring this card(honestly I wouldn't know the first thing about how to even do that). I saw a friend of mine at the National Convention pull a card from a pack and take it directly to BGS and did their raw card review service. We went back to pick it up the next day and it was labeled evidence of trimming so I know that these type of issues happen. I just wanted this card in the holder that I thought it deserved to be in and if it came pack a PSA 4 again I was willing to live with that. I think it would be interesting to take a card and just for research purposes sub it 25 times just to see how consistent or inconsistent they graded it. As a matter of fact I think I will pick out a few cards to send in with every submission that I do just to test them out.

[KCRfan1]

I believe most of us would agree that BGS does not translate well to PSA or SGC. BGS is usually overgraded and I would expect a grade drop to PSA or SGC. I would have left the Stargell and Henderson cards alone. Nothing too much wrong with a 9, and the likelyhood of 10's were slim. Too bad about the CJ, most of the 4's I have seen look pretty good. There is a lot of human element involved. Different grading companies and different graders. There is our own human element as well. Some of us believe we have better cards than we might.

[Mrvintage]

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

I believe most of us would agree that BGS does not translate well to PSA or SGC. BGS is usually overgraded and I would expect a grade drop to PSA or SGC. I would have left the Stargell and Henderson cards alone. Nothing too much wrong with a 9, and the likelyhood of 10's were slim. Too bad about the CJ, most of the 4's I have seen look pretty good. There is a lot of human element involved. Different grading companies and different graders. There is our own human element as well. Some of us believe we have better cards than we might.

The VCP price of a psa 9 Stargell is $55.00 while the VCP of a psa 10 is $1245.00. I felt this card was a very strong 9 and had a pretty good shot at a 10. I felt the same way with the BGS 9 Joe Mauer gold refractor auto. The Henderson I knew was a long shot but I took a gamble on it. The PSA 5 Griffey is just ridiculous unless it was damaged in shipping or somewhere along the way.

[Rich Klein]

I never would have taken the BGS 9.5 with all 9.5 subs out of the holder.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by Mrvintage

The VCP price of a psa 9 Stargell is $55.00 while the VCP of a psa 10 is $1245.00.

I can certainly understand your motive for trying to bump-up cards - you cite a perfect example and for this reason is why I shied away from collecting pre-1973 PSA 10s or even PSA 9s since there is so much subjectivity involved.

It's been well documented on this board that you could be paying a premium on bumped-up card simply because one or two graders were in a better mood on that particular day or were engaged in a pattern of being consistently generous to a certain submitter or for whatever reason. I find the whole "game" very disturbing since the net effect is that grading company wins by grading the same card multiple times, the seller wins with the major profit realized and the buyer ultimately looses by overpaying. The buyer's only hope is that he'll eventually find someone to pay more for that overpriced card.

[Piratedogcardshows]

Originally Posted by Mrvintage

The VCP price of a psa 9 Stargell is $55.00 while the VCP of a psa 10 is $1245.00. I felt this card was a very strong 9 and had a pretty good shot at a 10. I felt the same way with the BGS 9 Joe Mauer gold refractor auto. The Henderson I knew was a long shot but I took a gamble on it. The PSA 5 Griffey is just ridiculous unless it was damaged in shipping or somewhere along the way.

Damn 1190.00 for one grade higher.That's just nuts.