New Old Judge discovery

[barrysloate]

Been away for a few days and just saw this thread. Great cards, and great discussion.

I did auction the MacDonald card but it was actually in November, 2001. Small point, but that's the date.

The two new cards look like the Gypsy Queen ad was clipped off. If the cards weren't trimmed I'm sure they would be identical to the MacDonald. And like some many unique or near unique cards, we always wonder where the others went. I've often felt that pretty much everything was destroyed in the 1906 earthquake, so that may explain the great rarity of them. Cool thread.

And for once I would like to see a thread where collector Keith Olbermann offers something insightful about baseball cards and not even one single yahoo chimes in with some political garbage. Keith's previous career and his passion for baseball cards are entirely unrelated. Grow up.

[E93]

THanks Joe and Jay!
JimB

[CW]

Originally Posted by E93

THanks Joe and Jay!
JimB

I'll give a "+1" to that. Great discussion here overall, and an interesting video from Keith, plus it's nice to hear commentary from the guys who "wrote the book". Interesting thread!

[E93]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

And for once I would like to see a thread where collector Keith Olbermann offers something insightful about baseball cards and not even one single yahoo chimes in with some political garbage. Keith's previous career and his passion for baseball cards are entirely unrelated. Grow up.

+1 Amen!
JimB

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

And for once I would like to see a thread where collector Keith Olbermann offers something insightful about baseball cards and not even one single yahoo chimes in with some political garbage. Keith's previous career and his passion for baseball cards are entirely unrelated. Grow up.

You'll be in my prayers, Barry, if Rush Limbaugh ever starts collecting/posting about rare baseball books.

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

You'll be in my prayers, Barry, if Rush Limbaugh ever starts collecting/posting about rare baseball books.

I think he collects Percodans.

Edited to add that's a good point Rob, but when he does I promise you I will stick to discussing the books.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

And for once I would like to see a thread where collector Keith Olbermann offers something insightful about baseball cards and not even one single yahoo chimes in with some political garbage. Keith's previous career and his passion for baseball cards are entirely unrelated. Grow up.

Barry, if you dislike someone intensely, for any reason, and they offer up something insightful about a passion of yours, and you agree with them and would like to add to the discussion, I'm sorry, but if you are a normal human, the best we can hope for is that you stay out of the discussion.

If you were Nietsche's Superman, then we might expect you to transcend your human emotions temporarily and bond with this person. Maybe the two of you would even grow close through your hobby, and end up coming to understandings on the issues that you formerly disliked him over. But that is really a lot to ask. As an example, every now and then I offer something new and interesting regarding an area of collecting that I am absolutely positive another forum member would love to discuss. He doesn't. Why? He absolutely despises me. I get it, and it's probably all for the best, as we are only human. It takes beer to get over some of these things - I have seen it work. I would gladly drink a beer with either Keith Olberman or Rush Limbaugh.

[barrysloate]

Scott- couldn't disagree more.

You can dislike Keith, or Rush, or anybody. But you can dislike them silently. In this case, just stick to the story regarding the new baseball card find, and limit your comments to that. In Rob D.'s example (a funny one at that), I would be able to discuss Rush's rare books without expressing my personal feelings about him. Those don't even matter- the topic is the books.

As I like to say, one doesn't have to have an opinion about everything.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Scott- couldn't disagree more.

You can dislike Keith, or Rush, or anybody. But you can dislike them silently. In this case, just stick to the story regarding the new baseball card find, and limit your comments to that. In Rob D.'s example (a funny one at that), I would be able to discuss Rush's rare books without expressing my personal feelings about him. Those don't even matter- the topic is the books.

As I like to say, one doesn't have to have an opinion about everything.

I think we agree - dislike such people silently. You are probably more self-actualized than most internet forum participants, in your ability to compartmentalize your emotions. That would not surprise me - you have always had high forum behavior expectations. Nothing wrong with that. When respected forum members like yourself voice such hopes, there's more of a chance that they will at least be partially realized.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Scott- couldn't disagree more.

You can dislike Keith, or Rush, or anybody. But you can dislike them silently. In this case, just stick to the story regarding the new baseball card find, and limit your comments to that. In Rob D.'s example (a funny one at that), I would be able to discuss Rush's rare books without expressing my personal feelings about him. Those don't even matter- the topic is the books.

As I like to say, one doesn't have to have an opinion about everything.

I think the difference would be that Rush Limbaugh could not keep his political comments out of our forum whereas Keith Olbermann has shown the ability to separate his sports life from his political life. He even made a post here at Net54 that said he wouldn't go political.... Rush was kicked off of ESPN because he couldn't do it. While I agree with KO on most of his political views I don't have a problem with those that don't and he was certainly a polarizing figure in his time at MSNBC. Calling him a Nazi or communist is a little outlandish though, he seems to be a very solid capitalist to me.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I think the difference would be that Rush Limbaugh could not keep his political comments out of our forum whereas Keith Olbermann has shown the ability to separate his sports life from his political life. He even made a post here at Net54 that said he wouldn't go political.... Rush was kicked off of ESPN because he couldn't do it. While I agree with KO on most of his political views I don't have a problem with those that don't and he was certainly a polarizing figure in his time at MSNBC. Calling him a Nazi or communist is a little outlandish though, he seems to be a very solid capitalist to me.

I don't think any of the far-left or far-right folks can avoid 'going political' when they are in the media spotlight. ESPN is a lot different from Net54.

But you make a very good point - if Keith Olberman can do it on this forum, I don't see why the rest of us can't...unless we have less self-control than him.

It's really amazing the stuff he ends up with - while I'm kind of worn out discussing T206 printer problems, his set of proofs that never made it to production, is mind-blowing. And these cards are amazing as well. New discoveries in our hobby are always great.

[barrysloate]

Thanks Scott for the kind words.

You can like or dislike anyone you want. You can hate me if you choose, I'm okay with that. But you don't need to make a public display of it. If KO says, This is a rare baseball card, there is no political connotation to that statement whatsoever. Therefore, leave the political comments out of the discussion. You don't have to agree with his opinions on anything but you can keep your mouth shut about it (I don't mean you Scott, I think you're a really good soul). And yes, a little self control can go a long way. You don't see a whole lot of that on the internet.

[autograf]

We're all guilty about it........even Barry S brought up a reference to Limbaugh's Percodan usage. That's a similar way to kind of defame him--or point out some of his hypocritical behavior. I don't necessarily agree with Olbermann OR Limbaugh but they're both paid a handsome salary to do what they do--whether they believe it all or not....and Limbaugh was sacked from ESPN because of his reference on Donovan McNabb....not so much political as it was seen as somewhat racist.

Bottom line.....everyone has a slant. Bottom line #2.....the cards are WAY cool. There have to be more of them out there. The whole doggone city of San Francisco didn't completely burn up did it? Guess I'd better brush up on my SF history. You think Mark Macrae would have seen some of these in the day or maybe he has a whole file cabinet of them.....

[barrysloate]

Hey Tom- at least the percodan joke wasn't political.

[CW]

Originally Posted by autograf

The whole doggone city of San Francisco didn't completely burn up did it? Guess I'd better brush up on my SF history.

Well, Tom, your comment got me curious, so after a quick search and a glance at this page, it seems like 80% of the city was destroyed by the quake, the fire, and.... people setting their own homes on fire. A quick blurb and a map of the damage:

The quake lasted 42 seconds, causing severe damage. Ruptured gas lines (and the scarcity of water due to ruptures in those lines) caused city-wide fires that eventually were responsible for up to 90% of the total destruction. Additionally, since the insurance companies didn’t refund the actual quake damage, many people set fire to their own homes. The fires raged for four days and nights. By that time, 80% of the city was destroyed. Estimates of the damage range from $500 million to as high as $1 billion (equivalent to as much as $300 billion in 2005 money).

[ZenPop]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I think the difference would be that Rush Limbaugh could not keep his political comments out of our forum whereas Keith Olbermann has shown the ability to separate his sports life from his political life. He even made a post here at Net54 that said he wouldn't go political.... Rush was kicked off of ESPN because he couldn't do it. While I agree with KO on most of his political views I don't have a problem with those that don't and he was certainly a polarizing figure in his time at MSNBC. Calling him a Nazi or communist is a little outlandish though, he seems to be a very solid capitalist to me.

+1

My beef is that there is no implied agreement w/ Olbermann's opinions when one agrees or comments on his baseball card discussion. Just because you love his analysis on an Old Judge card does not make you a fan of Single Payer healthcare. So there's ZERO need to blurt out that you think someone is a commie when the discussion has ZERO to do with politics. That's what set me off.

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by ZenPop

+1

My beef is that there is no implied agreement w/ Olbermann's opinions when one agrees or comments on his baseball card discussion. Just because you love his analysis on an Old Judge card does not make you a fan of Single Payer healthcare. So there's ZERO need to blurt out that you think someone is a commie when the discussion has ZERO to do with politics. That's what set me off.

+2