New Old Judge discovery

[DixieBaseball]

Originally Posted by autograf

I'm assuming the album was the album sold by SCP that a board member picked up? Or did Olbermann get a different album. The two new prospects look like they've had the Gypsy Queen tagline cut from the bottom. The Donovan that showed up originally sold in a Lipset auction I think for just South of 100K a few years back. Neat, neat stuff.

Tom - Good catch! I went back and looked at the video again, and I believe you are correct. They look cut at the bottom and it seems very safe to assume these 2 looked like the other Greenwood & Moran GQ. Very nice piece that Keith and crew put together. I love dormant cards that are unearthed.

[ullmandds]

I have to disagree with you guys...I do not believe the 2 newly discovered cards had gypsy queen cut from the bottom. I base this on a few factors:

1-the size of the 3 cards are pretty close...in order for the 2 newer ones to have had gypsy queen cut from the bottom they'd have been a bit longer.

2- the cut on the bottom of the newly discovered cards looks original

3-the quality of the photos is slightly different

4-in conclusion esp based on the fact that these were local/minor league players they may have been created by a factory worker for his/her own personal use based on some pics that were available and didn't necessarily ever have any advertisement on them.

Just my thoughts.

[ullmandds]

After further review...who knows!!!!!

[oldjudge]

Wow--so much misinformation. First, these, if anything, are Gypsy Queens, NOT Old Judges. Old Judges came in Old Judge cigarette packs, Gypsy Queens came in Gypsy Queen cigarette packs. Second, the two new trimmed cards were not scanned next to an existing McDonald Gypsy Queen. The McDonald is an image of the card, not the actual card. My guess is that they are all the same size.
Third, the McDonald sold in Barry Sloate auction for about $80,000. The card was originally found by David Bryan on Ebay. The auction took place in the late-1990s I believe.
The only problem with the cards is that there is no identification of the manufacturer. The most likely scenario, as I note above, is that they are the same Gypsy Queen set as the McDonald. However, I guess they could be from another set, or they could be unissued printers scrap--who knows.
BTW, the McDonald image posted above is not the full image. Our book has the complete image.

[z28jd]

Yeah, what Jay said is what I think. If anything they are GQ cards, but even when you look at the space at the bottom of the McDonald between the name and the ad, there should at least be part of the GQ ad showing, even if they were slightly trimmed. Based on that, I'd say they are more likely proofs of the GQ card. Definitely not an Old Judge card though

[dstudeba]

Incredible find, unfortunately I had some problems with the production of the segment

If you look at the 1:56 minute mark, here is a picture of the scrapbook page with the two newly discovered cards.



Then you look at the same page at the 2:10 mark and it has the only other discovered California league GQ card. Obviously a photoshop job.



Then to continue their photoshopping job they put the three cards together and again fail to account for the relative sizes at 2:51.

[dstudeba]

I do believe that when the sizes are checked it will show that the new cards have the ads cut off. This was relatively common, and could have been done to make it fit in the scrapbook since they look slightly larger than the normal GQs. Does anyone have the exact measurement? According to my SCD big book it says it is approximately the same as a regular GQ.

[E93]

It looks like if the bottoms were just trimmed off we would still see part of the Gypsie Queen lettering judging ratios by eye. My guess would be that they are some type of GQ proof. Whatever they are, they are extremely cool!

Thanks also to KO for promoting this cool find and the hobby in general through his show.
JimB

[dstudeba]

Originally Posted by E93

It looks like if the bottoms were just trimmed off we would still see part of the Gypsie Queen lettering judging ratios by eye. My guess would be that they are some type of GQ proof. Whatever they are, they are extremely cool!

Jim -

Take a look at the first picture in my post, it is more photoshopping. That picture of the three cards together should not be shown to collectors as it is misleading in many ways.

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Wow--so much misinformation. First, these, if anything, are Gypsy Queens, NOT Old Judges. Old Judges came in Old Judge cigarette packs, Gypsy Queens came in Gypsy Queen cigarette packs. Second, the two new trimmed cards were not scanned next to an existing McDonald Gypsy Queen. The McDonald is an image of the card, not the actual card. My guess is that they are all the same size.
Third, the McDonald sold in Barry Sloate auction for about $80,000. The card was originally found by David Bryan on Ebay. The auction took place in the late-1990s I believe.
The only problem with the cards is that there is no identification of the manufacturer. The most likely scenario, as I note above, is that they are the same Gypsy Queen set as the McDonald. However, I guess they could be from another set, or they could be unissued printers scrap--who knows.
BTW, the McDonald image posted above is not the full image. Our book has the complete image.

Cool stuff guys. OJ or GQ...it is neat either way.

Z Wheat

[oldjudge]

Tom--the albums were the Cambridge Collection, sold by Goldin, not SCP. These cards are different, although Keith blended them together in his piece.

[autograf]

Ah.....thought that was a couple of other nice cards you found in the album!

So.....Olbermann engineered the two newly found ones into pages of the Cambridge Collection for viewing purposes?