New Old Judge discovery

[oldjudge]

Wow--so much misinformation. First, these, if anything, are Gypsy Queens, NOT Old Judges. Old Judges came in Old Judge cigarette packs, Gypsy Queens came in Gypsy Queen cigarette packs. Second, the two new trimmed cards were not scanned next to an existing McDonald Gypsy Queen. The McDonald is an image of the card, not the actual card. My guess is that they are all the same size.
Third, the McDonald sold in Barry Sloate auction for about $80,000. The card was originally found by David Bryan on Ebay. The auction took place in the late-1990s I believe.
The only problem with the cards is that there is no identification of the manufacturer. The most likely scenario, as I note above, is that they are the same Gypsy Queen set as the McDonald. However, I guess they could be from another set, or they could be unissued printers scrap--who knows.
BTW, the McDonald image posted above is not the full image. Our book has the complete image.

[z28jd]

Yeah, what Jay said is what I think. If anything they are GQ cards, but even when you look at the space at the bottom of the McDonald between the name and the ad, there should at least be part of the GQ ad showing, even if they were slightly trimmed. Based on that, I'd say they are more likely proofs of the GQ card. Definitely not an Old Judge card though

[dstudeba]

Incredible find, unfortunately I had some problems with the production of the segment

If you look at the 1:56 minute mark, here is a picture of the scrapbook page with the two newly discovered cards.



Then you look at the same page at the 2:10 mark and it has the only other discovered California league GQ card. Obviously a photoshop job.



Then to continue their photoshopping job they put the three cards together and again fail to account for the relative sizes at 2:51.

[dstudeba]

I do believe that when the sizes are checked it will show that the new cards have the ads cut off. This was relatively common, and could have been done to make it fit in the scrapbook since they look slightly larger than the normal GQs. Does anyone have the exact measurement? According to my SCD big book it says it is approximately the same as a regular GQ.

[E93]

It looks like if the bottoms were just trimmed off we would still see part of the Gypsie Queen lettering judging ratios by eye. My guess would be that they are some type of GQ proof. Whatever they are, they are extremely cool!

Thanks also to KO for promoting this cool find and the hobby in general through his show.
JimB

[dstudeba]

Originally Posted by E93

It looks like if the bottoms were just trimmed off we would still see part of the Gypsie Queen lettering judging ratios by eye. My guess would be that they are some type of GQ proof. Whatever they are, they are extremely cool!

Jim -

Take a look at the first picture in my post, it is more photoshopping. That picture of the three cards together should not be shown to collectors as it is misleading in many ways.

[autograf]

From the album photo, it's clear that the cards were trimmed near the team name, unlike the 'doctored' or enhanced pictures which appear to have added a significant amount of lower border. I still stand by my belief that they're from the same set and that the two cards that were recently found had the Gypsy Queen tagline trimmed. The enhanced cards with the bottom border added are somewhat deceptive but I assume done that way to just show the cards better.....still very, very cool stuff. You have to assume that there are more of them out there. On the album.....again.....was this the album that was sold in the recent SCP auction for $80K+? Or is it another album out there?

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Wow--so much misinformation. First, these, if anything, are Gypsy Queens, NOT Old Judges. Old Judges came in Old Judge cigarette packs, Gypsy Queens came in Gypsy Queen cigarette packs. Second, the two new trimmed cards were not scanned next to an existing McDonald Gypsy Queen. The McDonald is an image of the card, not the actual card. My guess is that they are all the same size.
Third, the McDonald sold in Barry Sloate auction for about $80,000. The card was originally found by David Bryan on Ebay. The auction took place in the late-1990s I believe.
The only problem with the cards is that there is no identification of the manufacturer. The most likely scenario, as I note above, is that they are the same Gypsy Queen set as the McDonald. However, I guess they could be from another set, or they could be unissued printers scrap--who knows.
BTW, the McDonald image posted above is not the full image. Our book has the complete image.

Cool stuff guys. OJ or GQ...it is neat either way.

Z Wheat

[oldjudge]

Tom--the albums were the Cambridge Collection, sold by Goldin, not SCP. These cards are different, although Keith blended them together in his piece.

[autograf]

Ah.....thought that was a couple of other nice cards you found in the album!

So.....Olbermann engineered the two newly found ones into pages of the Cambridge Collection for viewing purposes?

[oldjudge]

No, the page he showed with the two trimmed cards was not from the Cambridge Collection. The other scrapbook pages were. I'm not sure why he showed the Cambridge Collection stuff at all.

[Al C.risafulli]

What a fantastic hobby, where there are so many scholars that study the hobby so hard, and yet there are still new discoveries all the time.

When I saw the piece, I immediately assumed that he was reporting on cards that were in the Cambridge Collection. Thanks for clearing that up, Jay.

Still, given the audience (which goes far beyond card collectors, most of who do not understand this stuff), it was a solid piece. And a great discovery.

-Al

[Exhibitman]

FWIW, the boxing cards shown in the screen cap all have had their ads hacked off, so I assume that the same fate befell the two cards in question. Here are the Godfrey and Wilson cards as they should look: