Bruce Dorskind's Collection

wonkaticket · #1 01-20-2014, 01:03 PM

As I said before Kenny wasn’t wrong Bruce was a piece of work no doubt. All I’m saying is piling on a dead guy doesn’t make anything better. If anything it drags Kenny down to Bruce’s level as piling on a dead guy is something I can see Bruce doing. As for all the tough guy talk about tracking him down, beating him up that’s typical internet talk nothing more. Bottom line nobody did anything to Bruce ever. The guy pushed everyone’s buttons and nothing was done ever besides pissing and moaning and the occasional ban. Personally I was shocked he was allowed back on the board so many times, a few pissing matches some name calling all part of the internet experience. However using a forum and it’s contacts for death threats etc. not needed for me one death threat and that would have been the end of Bruce's membership.

In the end the guy died alone, with very few friends and certainly very little in the way of hobby respect the one thing he wanted more than all. To me what more could you want as payback on a guy?

ctownboy · #2 01-20-2014, 01:19 PM

I have been on the board for at least seven years now. I never met or spoke with the Brucii. I never did any deals with them (him) and he never said anything negative towards me.

HOWEVER........

I read plenty of things that he wrote and I found him to be a real _________ fill in the blank.

His elitist, snobbish attitude really rubbed me the wrong way.

Having said that, my questions are as follows: If a person is a (excuse the language that follows) dick, prick, asshole, POS, SOB, putz, etc, WHEN is the right time to say that?

Often times, it seemed, people would get in a confrontation on the board with the Brucii and others who weren't involved said that was Off Topic and should be taken off the board.

There were times that people would say something untowards about the Brucii and others would say that wasn't right because they (he) wasn't there to defend themselves (himself).

Now, after he is dead and gone, there have been people who have said what they honestly feel about the Brucii and others are saying that now is not the time and this is nto hte palce to say those things.

So, my questions are, for future reference, when and where is/are the right time to say those things?

I ask because there might be a time in the future that I might have to say something bad towards another board member and I want to know what the proper etiquette is for this type of behavior. I don't plan on bad mouthing anybody and i hope it never comes to that but just in case.....

David

wonkaticket · #3 01-20-2014, 01:33 PM

David fair question.

I think anytime you personally feel it�s right, just don�t be offended if others disagree with your timing. You guys can slam me all you want now or when I kick the bucket. I'd like you to do it now so I can enjoy some of the shots.

My point in saying why now is it seems silly he was sad little man who died in relative obscurity the exact opposite of his inflated internet persona. Slamming him and taking shots now while they may be deserved makes one look small sort of like Bruce. Now I know of Kenny and from what I have seen he�s far from a bad guy and is nothing like Bruce.

So why get down in the mud with the guy? Why even give the SOB the satisfaction of talking about him heck even in death the guy is ruffling feathers�something says that would have given Bruce satisfaction BTW.

That�s all I�m saying, but it�s the internet and a forum so let your thoughts rip your choice.

Exhibitman · #4 01-20-2014, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by wonkaticket

So why get down in the mud with the guy? Why even give the SOB the satisfaction of talking about him heck even in death the guy is ruffling feathers�something says that would have given Bruce satisfaction BTW.

Because I am a mean, petty person with a long memory and nothing else to do?

wonkaticket · #5 01-20-2014, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Because I am a mean, petty person with a long memory and nothing else to do?

LOL, I love you Adam, at least your honest about it.

toppcat · #6 01-20-2014, 03:56 PM

This thread is a good reminder that the only thing you ever really own is your name.

WhenItWasAHobby · #7 01-20-2014, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by toppcat

This thread is a good reminder that the only thing you ever really own is your name.

Actually, Bruce's name will be up for auction too.

ElCabron · #8 01-20-2014, 01:25 PM

You should probably look in the mirror about "typical internet talk." I really don't care what anyone else did or didn't do to Bruce and his threats. You don't know me, so I guess I can see why you'd interpret what I said as "tough guy talk." I don't claim to some bad ass. But some people are bad choices to mess with. Especially when you threaten their family members. I should probably leave it at that.

I am not a different person in real life than I am on the internet. Bruce was. Are you?

-Ryan

wonkaticket · #9 01-20-2014, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NoizeBringer

You should probably look in the mirror about "typical internet talk." I really don't care what anyone else did or didn't do to Bruce and his threats. You don't know me, so I guess I can see why you'd interpret what I said as "tough guy talk." I don't claim to some bad ass. But some people are bad choices to mess with. Especially when you threaten their family members. I should probably leave it at that.

I am not a different person in real life than I am on the internet. Bruce was. Are you?

-Ryan

Ryan, yes I find it hard to believe you’re going to go all Charles Bronson on anyone including Bruce for ruffling your feathers with a nasty email. If you are that person then you have bigger issues than a chat board or Bruce's of the world. I guess Bruce was lucky that he didn’t ever get on your bad side.

I’ll be sure to look over my shoulder today when I go to the store Ryan now that I have made the mistake of misjudging you.

Peter_Spaeth · #10 01-20-2014, 01:46 PM

The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones.

This seems to be true in Bruce's case as some people are not willing to forgive him even after a premature and apparently lonely death.

autograf · #11 01-20-2014, 01:54 PM

Was looking back through my Gmail account as I remember a couple tenuous emails with Bruce.....couldnt find any death threats but he'd bought a few issues of Trader Speaks from me.....older issues....1971 or so....for $5-$10 each and I was missing a few....I emailed him with my want list and he emailed back that they (Dorskind et al) had a few I needed at $100 each.....pretty fair offer considering what he'd bought them from me for. My retort.....

"Whilst we appreciate your offer, we will wait till the normally priced $5 and $10 copies appear. In addition, we will remember your generous offer when the Dorskind group wants to buy items from the Boblitt group. Prices may be slightly higher than advertised.
Best regards for a joyous holiday season......"

Interesting threads going about end of life issues......Ceresi v. Dorskind.....hopefully, when we're gone, we will have more of the sentiments expressed in Ceresi's than Dorskind's. Everyone remembers the episodes with Bruce.....everyone has to deal with that the way they want....I don't see the need to pile on, but like Ryan said, my family wasn't threatened either. Not that I would have realistically taken those threats seriously to begin with. I genuinely believe he had some form of psychoses that clouded his ability to get along with the rest of the humans......

wonkaticket · #12 01-20-2014, 02:01 PM

The one thing this thread as brought to light. Is even in death Bruce has managed to get the board all fired up�if there�s an afterlife he has to be wanting to post so bad right now.

T206Collector · #13 01-21-2014, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by wonkaticket

The one thing this thread as brought to light. Is even in death Bruce has managed to get the board all fired up�if there�s an afterlife he has to be wanting to post so bad right now.

+1

oldjudge · #14 01-20-2014, 02:03 PM

David--I always have believed that you praise people in public and chastise them in private. I disagreed with a lot of things Bruce said, but I took them up with him on a private level, never be labored a point, and moved on when I had said what I thought needed to be said. I see no purpose in ranting about someone after they have passed away. It will not change anything, only create arguments. We can all remember Bruce in any way we choose. I choose to remember him in the way he behaved when we met in person, which was a much nicer, more sharing person that his chat board persona. Years ago he sold me one of my favorite cards, an ExMT Pittsburgh K-Bats team card. When I see the card I smile and think of my good experiences with Bruce. The bad ones, they were buried with his body.

ElCabron · #15 01-20-2014, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Ryan, yes I find it hard to believe you�re going to go all Charles Bronson on anyone including Bruce for ruffling your feathers with a nasty email.

Yes, because clearly I'm so thin-skinned that any time I receive an email I do not like, I track them down and beat them up. As I previously stated (and you seem to have overlooked) I got plenty of nasty emails from Bruce, all of which I laughed off or responded to in a harmlessly snarky way. I'm not sure if you don't have a family or why it's so hard for you to understand that it's not okay to make threats against someone's family. He didn't do that to me. He did to others. Others didn't respond to it the way I would have. If you're curious about how I'd respond, just send me a private message threatening my family and you'll find out. Otherwise, you're probably safe not looking over your shoulder.

-Ryan

wonkaticket · #16 01-20-2014, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NoizeBringer

Yes, because clearly I'm so thin-skinned that any time I receive an email I do not like, I track them down and beat them up. As I previously stated (and you seem to have overlooked) I got plenty of nasty emails from Bruce, all of which I laughed off or responded to in a harmlessly snarky way. I'm not sure if you don't have a family or why it's so hard for you to understand that it's not okay to make threats against someone's family. He didn't do that to me. He did to others. Others didn't respond to it the way I would have. If you're curious about how I'd respond, just send me a private message threatening my family and you'll find out. Otherwise, you're probably safe not looking over your shoulder.

-Ryan

Yes I have a family Ryan, and yes I would be offended, angry all of the above. Not sure what your point is....I get it you would not take that lightly noted…not sure many would BTW.

Again the offender is as dead as dead can be and while he was alive he played these nasty shenanigans ad nauseam and nothing was ever done other than to complain about him, give him threads and more attention those are the facts. Even in death he still manages to get a thread.

barrysloate · #17 01-20-2014, 01:26 PM

I've probably defended Bruce more than anyone else on this board, and for the record he could be just as nasty to me as everyone else. He acted in ways so antisocial that it was hard for me to understand. For example, he once sent me an email wishing Judy and me a happy new year, then concluded it with one of his political screeds, followed by "God Bless the 1%." I tried explaining to him that that was not an appropriate way to send good wishes to someone, and asked him to keep politics out of his personal emails. Yet every time he sent me an email, he did it again. To repeat, his social skills were abysmal. He had some serious issues. And for those he sent death threats to, they had every right to blast him back as loud and as hard as they wanted. He deserved it.

But now it's time to move on. He saw the world as a giant battlefield and a war that he had to fight every day, in every way, but that war is over now.

z28jd · #18 01-20-2014, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by wonkaticket

As I said before Kenny wasn�t wrong Bruce was a piece of work no doubt. All I�m saying is piling on a dead guy doesn�t make anything better. If anything it drags Kenny down to Bruce�s level as piling on a dead guy is something I can see Bruce doing. As for all the tough guy talk about tracking him down, beating him up that�s typical internet talk nothing more. Bottom line nobody did anything to Bruce ever. The guy pushed everyone�s buttons and nothing was done ever besides pissing and moaning and the occasional ban. Personally I was shocked he was allowed back on the board so many times, a few pissing matches some name calling all part of the internet experience. However using a forum and it�s contacts for death threats etc. not needed for me one death threat and that would have been the end of Bruce's membership.

In the end the guy died alone, with very few friends and certainly very little in the way of hobby respect the one thing he wanted more than all. To me what more could you want as payback on a guy?

I think your last sentence is the best. I'm shocked to see so many people remembering him as a good person with all the bad things I've read and heard. I never dealt with him or even talked to him(that I can remember) and there was a great reason, it was because no one liked him. Therefore I have nothing personal bad to say about him, but obviously nothing good either. I know if I did have something from his wantlist, I would have told him about it and not sold it to him because of how he treated others.

felada · #19 01-20-2014, 04:23 PM

Does anyone know what happened to Norris' collection?

He was another collector that could be difficult to deal with

jbsports33 · #20 01-20-2014, 04:28 PM

REA - thanks for the info! Nice story for a long time collector

Jimmy

Kenny Cole · #21 01-20-2014, 06:57 PM

Maybe the reason Bruce died alone is that he would send lots of people -- not just me -- pms and emails with nice stuff like he hoped you would be held down and have to watch your wife be gang-raped or that he hoped your entire family died screaming in a fire. And I should respect him because he did one thing right and died? I don't think so. F--k him. I didn't say what I wanted to say on the thread about his death out of respect for Barry, but this is not that thread.

Ryan is probably right -- I should try to get over that and simply realize that he was a psychotic who could sometimes be charming, or at least nice, even to the "little people." So could Ted Bundy. In any event, I guess I'm not there yet. I'm more like Adam. I guess I'll have to work on doing better. And John, to answer your first post and question, I do feel a little better having said what I said. It was somewhat cathartic.

calvindog · #22 01-20-2014, 07:24 PM

Why do we assume Bruce died alone? Because none of his friends on Net 54 were at his deathbed? Hell, some Net 54 people who consider themselves friends of others aren't even contacted when the other person is sick.

Kenny Cole · #23 01-20-2014, 07:27 PM

Jeff,

I assume that he died alone because, as you can tell, I think he was a sorry son of a bitch and can't imagine anyone wanting to be by his bedside when he went. In any event, that's my working hypothesis and I'm going to go with it until presented with evidence to the contrary.

barrysloate · #24 01-20-2014, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

Maybe the reason Bruce died alone is that he would send lots of people -- not just me -- pms and emails with nice stuff like he hoped you would be held down and have to watch your wife be gang-raped or that he hoped your entire family died screaming in a fire. And I should respect him because he did one thing right and died? I don't think so. F--k him. I didn't say what I wanted to say on the thread about his death out of respect for Barry, but this is not that thread.

Ryan is probably right -- I should try to get over that and simply realize that he was a psychotic who could sometimes be charming, or at least nice, even to the "little people." So could Ted Bundy. In any event, I guess I'm not there yet. I'm more like Adam. I guess I'll have to work on doing better. And John, to answer your first post and question, I do feel a little better having said what I said. It was somewhat cathartic.

No Kenny, you don't have to respect him, and I was as outraged by his posts as anyone. But he's no longer here so why not just move on. The battle is over.

barrysloate · #25 01-20-2014, 07:35 PM

And I'm not sure Bruce died alone. He had a brother and his father is still living, and I'm sure it was heartbreaking for his father to outlive his son. He also had many friends who paid him tribute on a website developed after he died.

His private messages to people were horrific, I used to practically scream at him to stop doing it, and he never even listened to me once. He had some serious issues that he didn't know how to deal with. But he's gone.

Kenny Cole · #26 01-20-2014, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate

No Kenny, you don't have to respect him, and I was as outraged by his posts as anyone. But he's no longer here so why not just move on. The battle is over.

Barry, you should probably offer, and I should probably take, a Ghandi class.

However, IMO, there are some things that transcend death. Some of the stuff Bruce did and sent to me fit that category.

It is wonderful for REA to give a glowing write-up for Bruce's collection. I've never seen it, but hear its awesome. Ultimately, what that means is that they get to sell the collection of a sad, pathetic little man who couldn't even attract a mate. What an epitaph.

slidekellyslide · #27 01-20-2014, 07:50 PM

I always felt that his wish that I be dead was evened out when it made the New York Daily News blog. I'm sure that was embarrassing to him..or at least I hope it was.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/ite...-card-col.html

I don't think it even mattered if you were nice to Bruce, he didn't care...I once did him a favor and sent him some xerox copies of an old newspaper article I had because I guess he couldn't figure out how to open a picture in his email...he neither thanked me or even acknowledged my favor to him.

I was privy to many of the nasty emails he sent members of the board, I'm not a psychologist, but there was something definitely wrong with that guy. I believe the only time I ever voted in his favor to return was when we found out he was very sick.

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