Lelands Lot #153 Heads Up.

[oldjudge]

Way to go Jeff and John! Just when you think you have seen everything.......

[ctownboy]

Even when they are wrong
auction descriptions just Ramble On.

David

[scooter729]

I had been interested initially in this Red Sox print when I saw it the other day, but noticed the two small words at the end of the long description which stated "repaired tears".

I immediately flashed back to this thread and pictured what the "repaired tears" might mean, and held back on my bid.

Thanks again to all for informing the rest of us when you know about things like this - it is very educational and can save us some headaches down the road!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by scooter729

I had been interested initially in this Red Sox print when I saw it the other day, but noticed the two small words at the end of the long description which stated "repaired tears".

I immediately flashed back to this thread and pictured what the "repaired tears" might mean, and held back on my bid.

Thanks again to all for informing the rest of us when you know about things like this - it is very educational and can save us some headaches down the road!

Leland's is an advertiser here so please keep that in mind. It doesn't change my view but it needs to be said.
There is no doubt a couple mistakes were made in the auction. That being said, if I wanted something that said it had been repaired, I would place a call and get more explanation if i had a concern. That is a beautiful poster. I don't think I have ever seen it before. I could maybe see me replacing my Horner Composite with it, and putting the rest of the money in the bank. It's really nice.

Also, I have known Josh and Mike for many years. I consider them good guys and hobby friends. I think the poster was an oversight and one that got egg on their face. But that being said I trust Leland's and think they are a good company and one I will continue to do business with. Just as I would do with anything and any company, if I am buying something that has been repaired, I will always follow up and ask about it, just as I did the Horner Composite hanging on my wall.

I am looking forward to their auction ending to see where some things go. Hopefully, if there is anything I can't live without, I will come away with it....It will be interesting to see if the Wagner card gets more bids too.....

[calvindog]

Leon, Josh has engaged in shill bidding in his auctions. Just ask him.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Leon, Josh has engaged in shill bidding in his auctions. Just ask him.

I did. He said he didn't.

[scooter729]

Originally Posted by Leon

That being said, if I wanted something that said it had been repaired, I would place a call and get more explanation if i had a concern.

Thanks Leon - I just wanted to add that I took your advice and gave them a call to get more details as to the extent of the repaired tears. It certainly had a bit of work, but not a full restoration like the A&G poster at all, so it is a nice piece.

[Mikehealer]

Originally Posted by Leon

That being said, if I wanted something that said it had been repaired, I would place a call and get more explanation if i had a concern.

If they can rave about how great the item is and post a nice size image of it, then a detailed description(as well as before photos) about the repair work should be given as well. A potential buyer shouldn't have to call about this.

To me it's obvious why they left this out, they thought it would hurt the final price.

It's just not that hard to be honest.

[sportsnbikes]

Very informative post. Bidding is still close to 16,000. WOW!

[wonkaticket]

“Leland's is an advertiser here so please keep that in mind. It doesn't change my view but it needs to be said.”

Why should that matter or need to be said? Other than political on your end it shouldn’t concern the rest of us Leon IMO.

“I think the poster was an oversight and one that got egg on their face.”

Simply not true (minus the egg and face) this thread as well as their responses are conformation that it wasn’t a simple oversight. Let’s lay out the cliff notes for the folks who aren’t going to read this entire thread.

1. I notice the item for sale and realize that it was the item that Broadway Rick’s Strikezone/Rick Kohl was selling on eBay.
   
   
2. I knew firsthand the history of this poster and the level of damage prior to restoration as did several respected hobby players.
   
   
3. I notified Leland’s offline and privately and provided them with images and detailed insight. Not only was their employee shocked but he agreed with me that it was well more than simple restoration. He even asked how the auction description should be changed to better describe the item with the new information he had received. I explained his response was thank you very much for the heads up let me get with Josh.
   
   
4. Days later I noticed nothing had changed, re-emailed the employee and copied Josh. The response I got was a one sentence response. “It is clearly written in the description regarding restoration” I emailed back Josh and said I politely disagree that the current description accurately described this item.
   
   
5. I then decided to try and warn folks via the boards. With the exact same information I provided Leland’s.
   
   
6. Then after Leland’s took a few lumps on the public boards Josh said he didn’t notice how bad the images were on his phone and until he saw it on here he hadn’t realized how bad. This was a scramble to fix a sinking ship. He had the same images in full resolution days before from his employee etc. when I pointed this out he said he just looked at them quickly missed them and was and I quote “kind of annoyed” whatever that means.
   
   
7. After all this dancing they finally include the new description saying “The poster has had major restoration. However, the appearance is magnificent and the work virtually undetectable.” But no before photos. Also the undetectable line is a joke Stevie Wonder could see where this item has been fixed. Heck you can even see the before and after photos proudly displayed by the company that did the restoration…yet somehow were missed by Leland’s….
   
   
8. Then we are back to the boards to say what gives? Then only after this photos are added.
   

From day one at the National they have marked this item as one of the finest in existence. They then took this marketing to web and print with a minor foot note of restoration. When notified of the extent of the restoration they dodged and only after a very public flogging they did the right thing.

Bottom line this is what they tried to market.





And this is what the item really is…..in this case a picture really is worth a thousand words.




What really ticks me off is as a collector with no real vested interest I took my time and did the right thing. I notified them offline to allow them to save face fix the bugs and move on. Allowing them to protect themselves as well as their bidders/customers. However that wasn’t enough I had to go on public boards light up a signal flare point fingers and act like a dick to just to have the right thing done and even then it was a freakin chore.

John

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by scooter729

I had been interested initially in this Red Sox print when I saw it the other day, but noticed the two small words at the end of the long description which stated "repaired tears".

I immediately flashed back to this thread and pictured what the "repaired tears" might mean, and held back on my bid.

Thanks again to all for informing the rest of us when you know about things like this - it is very educational and can save us some headaches down the road!

Scott saw this, saw another one of these go off in Verkman does anybody have the old catalogs from this year with this item in it?

Just curious.....

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Scott saw this, saw another one of these go off in Verkman does anybody have the old catalogs from this year with this item in it?

Just curious.....

I've got all of the catalogs if you know which one it is in.

[wonkaticket]

Huh so write ups on restored items can be done with full detail. Kudos to H&S these guys took a bit of a rub on the whole "partial" Wagner thing, but props where props are due.

http://www.hugginsandscott.com/cgi-b...l?itemid=65067

Cheers,

John