Graded Spalding Cut out Pictures/Revisited

[bcbgcbrcb]

If you look a little, you can find a complete guide for the higher end of that estimate.

[drcy]

If they're correctly labelled, they're correctly labelled. Though I'd prefer the word 'page' be on the label.

[drcy]

The grading director at Beckett once told me they will holder anything you give them that fits in a holder. As long as it's labelled accurately, that's fine. I believe he gave that answer after I asked if they would holder someone's own snapshots he shot at a baseball game he attended.

No, I never said I was for the cutting up of old baseball guides. Because I'm not.

And I meant within reason. I don't believe Beckett will authenticate a cheese sandwich with a Jesus image, even if it fits in a holder. Maybe if it's Babe Ruth.

[Leon]

As has been said, as long as they label them correctly i don't think it's a big deal. I don't know when the started grading them.
I can't believe someone would pay that kind of price for that item but I have seen worse. As a matter of fact I have that same picture from a smaller guide and bought it as a non graded cut out. I think I paid about $10 shipped for it. I wanted it to go with something else I have. They have a place in the hobby, to me, but it's not in the hundreds of dollars range place .

[barrysloate]

One of the problems of slabbing these cutouts is it may afford them a status they don't deserve. The slab might give someone the impression that they are closely related to baseball cards, and worthy of standing alone. As such, they should conceivably command a high price in the marketplace. Fact is, they are just pages torn out of a book, and while attractive are virtually worthless. Remember, there are always beginners out there who can be easily fooled.

That, and the fact they are destroying these guides, rankles me.

[Hot Springs Bathers]

I am opposed to grading something (actually I am opposed to grading period) that has been destroyed but in the case of some of the old Spalding and Reach Guides, many are offered in rough shape or in pieces.

I keep a chart on eBay prices and you can find a beat up 1909 for under $50 quite often. Like Phil offered a VG copy with covers can be had for $75 or so.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

One of the problems of slabbing these cutouts is it may afford them a status they don't deserve. The slab might give someone the impression that they are closely related to baseball cards, and worthy of standing alone. As such, they should conceivably command a high price in the marketplace. Fact is, they are just pages torn out of a book, and while attractive are virtually worthless. Remember, there are always beginners out there who can be easily fooled.

That, and the fact they are destroying these guides, rankles me.

I quit trying to save the world from making bad decisions. If someone wants to buy a cutout that is labeled as a cutout more power to them. I do understand the debate, which is that it sort of "legitimatizes" them but if labeled correctly then people need to be smart enough to know it's only a page from a book. BTW, I have some Supplements I like quite a bit. Here is a larger Supplement that I bought the smaller cut out to go with...It is approximatly 11 x 15, quite large...

[ksfarmboy]

Leon, that larger photo was cut out of a book too.

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by Leon

I quit trying to save the world from making bad decisions. If someone wants to buy a cutout that is labeled as a cutout more power to them. I do understand the debate, which is that it sort of "legitimatizes" them but if labeled correctly then people need to be smart enough to know it's only a page from a book. BTW, I have some Supplements I like quite a bit. Here is a larger Supplement that I bought the smaller cut out to go with...It is approximatly 11 x 15, quite large...

Hey Leon- I tend to agree somewhat that if somebody wants to buy them they are free to do so. But the person likely to pay several hundred dollars for one of these cutouts probably is doing so in error, thinking they are worth more than they really are. If you tried to sell just the cutout without the slab, you might get five or ten bucks for it. But put it in a slab, it suddenly becomes something else. Yes, anyone can buy anything he wants, but the grading companies should reject them as not slabbable.

[edhans]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

One of the problems of slabbing these cutouts is it may afford them a status they don't deserve. The slab might give someone the impression that they are closely related to baseball cards, and worthy of standing alone. As such, they should conceivably command a high price in the marketplace. Fact is, they are just pages torn out of a book, and while attractive are virtually worthless. Remember, there are always beginners out there who can be easily fooled.

That, and the fact they are destroying these guides, rankles me.

+1

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

One of the problems of slabbing these cutouts is it may afford them a status they don't deserve. The slab might give someone the impression that they are closely related to baseball cards, and worthy of standing alone. As such, they should conceivably command a high price in the marketplace. Fact is, they are just pages torn out of a book, and while attractive are virtually worthless. Remember, there are always beginners out there who can be easily fooled.

That, and the fact they are destroying these guides, rankles me.

Originally Posted by ethicsprof

There was a time when the vintage grading card companies filled an okay niche in the hobby,particularly once fraud took its hold on much of our beloved avocation. Now I worry a bit
about the speed with which they are sliding down weird slippery slopes by grading and authenticating items which often trap the novices and are unnecessary at best and solely motivated by profit and greed at worst. Some years back I had everything graded. In recent years, I've sent nothing in. I'm wary of this weird slippery slope. I understand full well that businesses inherently live to make a profit but I would hope that they would remember that they are often
also a service offered to the one and the many. I'd like to see the TPG companies wrestle with this before the weird slippery slope becomes not weird but usual and the service inexorably and irrevocably tainted. IMHO

all the best,
barry

I totally agree with both Barry's (Sloate and Arnold).

I have quite a few of the Spalding and Reach Guides (1905 - 1912) in nice condition. Now, should I go "whacko"; and, cut the pages out of these books that have pictures
of Joe Jackson (or Ty Cobb, or Christy Mathewson, or Cy Young, etc.) and submit them to get "plasticized" ? Then try to sell them for ridiculous prices ? ?

I don't think so !


Consider this.....if I don't get them plasticized.....but, simply cut them out and try to sell these pictures "raw". Does anyone on this forum think that I'll find buyers willing to
pay several 100's of dollars for them ? Not if they are sober and of sound mind

Now let's consider this......for example take my 1949 LEAF Babe Ruth card. Obviously it's ungraded, but I would have no problem selling it for several 100's of dollars. Should
I get this Ruth plasticisized....then it's not unrealistic for me to expect to sell it for 1000+ dollars.

My point here is, that this Ruth card has at least 30 years of established increasing value, whereas the picture pages from out of 100+ year old sports publications (whose
market value is only $75) do not.

P.S......It will be interesting to see if this ebay seller sells this picture in 3 days ?


TED Z