SGC vs PSA

[AndyG09]

Originally Posted by kamikidEFFL

The one down thing on SGC i hate is that the case is too thick. I wish they were thin like PSA slabs

The new PSA cases are 30% thicker than the old ones. Me personally, SGC for prewar and PSA for post.

Best,

Andy

[mrvster]

When it comes to pre-war......hands down SGC.....tougher grading, better cases....black background.....their customer service is outstanding....and when it comes to T206, SGC is a no-brainer

[kamikidEFFL]

Originally Posted by AndyG09

The new PSA cases are 30% thicker than the old ones. Me personally, SGC for prewar and PSA for post.

Best,

Andy

I didn't know that haven't had anything graded by PSA recently but that's good to know. But I agree with everyone on the SGC on 19th century stuff. T206 I haven't jumped into as much as most people on here so I would take their word for it on that. I only have one t206 which is SGC GRADED.

[wazoo]

I only have t206 cards graded...and graded by SGC because they have the best customer service, they grade by their guidelines, they're consistent unlike PSA, and their grading cases are more aesthetically appealing than PSA's cases. Just my two cents.

[kamikidEFFL]

now got a question for you guys. If your PSA or SGC guy would you not buy a card because its graded by the other company?? Or does it not matter

[steve B]

Originally Posted by kamikidEFFL

now got a question for you guys. If your PSA or SGC guy would you not buy a card because its graded by the other company?? Or does it not matter

I prefer SGC. Mostly because when I first looked at sending a few cards in the membership or as I call it the cover charge with PSA really put me off. Beckett wasn't much better, with different grading for older cards, which seemed too much like the old "it's near mint for its age" that every flea market dealer seemed to live by. SGC seemed about right, and more reasonable.

But if I like a card, and if it seems like a good deal I don't worry about the holder. - I have a few from each of the big three, plus GAI and Accu-card.

If a card sells for a lot more graded by PSA, that to me is a reason to buy ungraded or SGC/Beckett. Why pay a whole lot extra for a fancy holder?
Each company seems to treat different sorts of defect differently.

Steve B

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by AndyG09

Me personally, SGC for prewar and PSA for post.

Best,

Andy

Agree 100%

SGC for prewar.
PSA for post
BGS for modern.

[g_vezina_c55]

Sgc all the way...pre war and post war. I buy only sgc cards
Love the black background
Sgc grade on place at the shriners card show
Their holder fit tight in the ultra pro sleeve protector for graded cards
Their grading is consistent
Love the registry with the picture

For many reason. : sgc is my choice

[GregMitch34]

I prefer SGC also, but one must admit they usually take a hit on prices on t206 and CJs and some other issues, I guess because PSA registry competition much hotter. So even with so many favoring SGC, I doubt if prices will ever catch up....Wish that wasn't true but certainly seems that it is.

[ullmandds]

The age old question that no one seems to tire about talking about...

Facts:

PSA grades less stringently than SGC
SGC has nicer holders
PSA has a bigger following because people are stupid
PSA has less morals than SGC

[frankbmd]

When Yogi saw this thread, he said,

"It's like déjà vu all over again,"

"and both companies will take cash, which is just as good as money"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-EZf56AfYc

[ullmandds]

exactly frank! I'm in montclair, NJ visiting my folks...if u want to stop by Yogi's house/museum and say hello for you!

[edhans]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Facts:

PSA grades less stringently than SGC
SGC has nicer holders
PSA has a bigger following because people are stupid
PSA has less morals than SGC

SGC actually gives a damn about it's customers.
SGC's pop report is awful.
PSA's set registry is purportedly more prestigeous than SGC's.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

The age old question that no one seems to tire about talking about...

Facts:

PSA grades less stringently than SGC
SGC has nicer holders
PSA has a bigger following because people are stupid
PSA has less morals than SGC

I don't agree on grading. My experience and observation is that SGC is much more forgiving on corners and centering. On the other hand, SGC is less forgiving (or perhaps more rigorous in finding them) on wrinkles and paper loss.

[Fred]

I love it when this topic comes up again and again....

Ed, what are you saying? Are you indicating PSA doesn't care about their customers?

There is definitely one HUGE difference between PSA and SGC. SGC takes the time to talk to their customers and they seem to actually care about how their customers feel, even those that don't submit hundreds of cards. SGCs customer service is sooooooo MUCH BETTER than PSA.

The one thing I wish SGC (and other TPGs) would do is some how come up with a way to seal a slab so that people know it was tampered with. I guess Beckett has the best tamper proof cases but those things are a bit larger than a standard slab.

SGC for me.

[thehoodedcoder]

every time this comes up, i say this. i have submitted a decent amoutn of cross overs. over 75 percent, of the sgc cards won't get crossed over when requesting the same grade.

im not sure why everyone thinks that the grading is tougher at sgc. that is far from my experience.

kevin

[buymycards]

Funny that no one mentioned Beckett. Ugly slabs, bad pop report, and in my experience - poor customer service. No response at all to a question I sent them in regard to a mislabeled slab.

Rick

[DeanH3]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

every time this comes up, i say this. i have submitted a decent amoutn of cross overs. over 75 percent, of the sgc cards won't get crossed over when requesting the same grade.

im not sure why everyone thinks that the grading is tougher at sgc. that is far from my experience.

kevin

I have very limited personal experience with crossing cards over to PSA. But from what I have read about others experiences, I do think there is a very good chance that PSA does not cross over cards in slabs on purpose. There are so many stories of how a card would not cross in slab, yet once busted out, they end up crossing. I would say the general census on the PSA boards is it's a waste of time and money crossing a slabbed card.

Now just to be fair, maybe PSA feels they cannot get a good enough look at a slabbed card. But my gut tells me that's not the likely reason.

[MattyC]

In my opinion, PSA cards cost me more as a collector because their Registry has such a rabid user base; heated PSA Registry competition creates higher prices for those slabs and also creates greater demand for graded PSA commons, hence more of their slabs being sold.

The upshot of all this is that PSA cards wind up costing collectors more because this PSA Registry demand is priced into those slabs, to some extent.

As a buyer, where possible, I try not to pay a premium for a game I personally do not play. That said, when I am seeking a card I will find the card I want, and whatever of those major TPGs has slabbed it, is fine with me.

Of course, I can see sellers desiring PSA for these very same reasons, just being on the opposite side of the table. Though if any sea changes were to take place in the TPG landscape, selling would turn to whoever is the market leader in X-many years.

[cozmokramer]

Originally Posted by AndyG09

The new PSA cases are 30% thicker than the old ones. Me personally, SGC for prewar and PSA for post.

Best,

Andy

Anyone have a scan of this newer thicker PSA slab? Maybe the two side by side showing the difference?

[AndyG09]

They had a sample of the new holder at the National. I read about the 30% greater thickness on the CU board from a collector who had a bunch of the new slabs.

I understand that SGC has a thinner slab that they are supposed to be coming out with. I talked to their rep at the Sun-Times show about them. Supposed to still stack with the current slab and have the black insert of course. I know they are working on getting a revamp on the website/registry too. Perhaps Earl can add something about that to the thread. I have been hearing about a revamped registry/pop report for too long.

Best,

Andy