SGC will now slab Rebacked N172 Old Judge Cards.

[tlwise12]

I had a Tener that I didn't know if it were rebacked or not and sgc confirmed that it was at the national this year. However, they did holder it as an "A" at my request.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by tlwise12

I had a Tener that I didn't know if it were rebacked or not and sgc confirmed that it was at the national this year. However, they did holder it as an "A" at my request.

That and the fact that I saw this other one makes me think they have changed their protocol. I will send an email and ask and see if I can get an answer.

[packs]

Maybe the person I spoke to just wasn't aware. Although I did call twice.

[DixieBaseball]

I have a pretty scarce OJ that is rebacked and holdered Authentic "Rebacked" It took a conversation, but due to scarcity, they went ahead and holdered it. (This was a few years ago) They told me that they typically don't holder rebacked OJ's, but if it is scarce, rare, etc. they will consider it.

I doubt they will holder a bunch of them.

Edited to add if they re-holder and it is re-backed they will have to mark it "re-backed" "authentic" on the label. (That is the case with my card) Again, it was with rare exception they do this for a re-backed OJ as they agreed it was scarce enough and made sure it was labeled properly. Also, this was done for the uniformity of my Nashville collection of N172 players.

[bn2cardz]

From Bob Luce today:

"Andy,

We hadn’t changed our policy recently. I can’t comment about the two cards you mentioned without having them in front of me. However, the Net54 thread and your email gave us the opportunity to revisit our policy. We have decided to start encapsulating rebacked N172 Old Judges as SGC Authentic with a “rebacked” notation on the third line. In rare cases, we will reserve the right to reject cards if the new backing does not even faintly resemble a real Old Judge backing. For now, we will restrict the new policy to N172’s and similar issues with blank cardboard backs. Feel free to post on Net54 about our policy change, which will take place immediately.

Regards,
Bob Luce"

This is exciting news.

[GoldenAge50s]

I have recently acquired an OJ that I THINK has been skinned, like maybe one thin layer. I haven't handled any OJ's in several yrs, but it just seems the one's I had back then were a bit thicker.

Is there a way to tell w/out having another OJ to compare it to?

[Joe_G.]

Originally Posted by GoldenAge50s

I have recently acquired an OJ that I THINK has been skinned, like maybe one thin layer. I haven't handled any OJ's in several yrs, but it just seems the one's I had back then were a bit thicker.

Is there a way to tell w/out having another OJ to compare it to?

Hello Fred, if your OJ is paper thin it has been skinned. You are essentially left with the thin and very fragile albumen photo paper. Cheaper cards from the same timeframe, often actress cards, are sometimes donated to the cause of providing a good cardboard backing to a cherished baseball subject resulting in a "rebacked" card. I myself have never done this.

[bcbgcbrcb]

As a follow-up to this thread, I am wondering if representatives from the three grading companies will come forward on the board here with their company's current position on holdering re-backed cards, specifically Old Judges, as "Authentic"? It seems that there is a lot in perceived value at stake here so I would like to hear it straight from the TPG's representatives. If the answer is "Yes", does it depend on the degree of re-backing, etc.?

[Matthew H]

I've never heard of SGCs pervious policy on not holdering re-backed OJs. I've pulled a few of them out of Auth holders, including a Serad. Not a particularly special card... It didn't even have a period back on it.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

As a follow-up to this thread, I am wondering if representatives from the three grading companies will come forward on the board here with their company's current position on holdering re-backed cards, specifically Old Judges, as "Authentic"? It seems that there is a lot in perceived value at stake here so I would like to hear it straight from the TPG's representatives. If the answer is "Yes", does it depend on the degree of re-backing, etc.?

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

From Bob Luce today:

"Andy,

We hadn’t changed our policy recently. I can’t comment about the two cards you mentioned without having them in front of me. However, the Net54 thread and your email gave us the opportunity to revisit our policy. We have decided to start encapsulating rebacked N172 Old Judges as SGC Authentic with a “rebacked” notation on the third line. In rare cases, we will reserve the right to reject cards if the new backing does not even faintly resemble a real Old Judge backing. For now, we will restrict the new policy to N172’s and similar issues with blank cardboard backs. Feel free to post on Net54 about our policy change, which will take place immediately.

Regards,
Bob Luce"

This is exciting news.

SGC has given their position.