Question regarding top cards on cellos -1979

[pepis]

Originally Posted by Ksquared

Jose
I've been thinking about your response to my earlier post. I had a few more questions if you don't mind.

I went through VCP and looked at 75-79 recorded sales in grades PSA 7 - 10. I counted 62 sales from your ebay id since VCP has been recording sales. Only 26 of them meet your criteria for what card should be on top. That means that 36 of them would be tampered using your logic. I know you said you bought a lot of packs over the years, especially star packs but that seems like either bad luck or something else.

I also didn't see any common pack sales that I remember and you mentioned that you had opened multiple boxes so i would figure you would have had some common player sales. Maybe you didn't grade them?

I also saw that you were selling packs with the wrong card on front for multiple years with the last sale being a 79 Ozzie Smith pack in May 2012 and a 78 Thurman Munson in June 2012. There have been multiple threads on fake packs on Net54 from March and May of this year where you mentioned that you spoke to Steve last year and had been working on your FBI information "for a long time".

I'm having a hard time believing when you sold those packs as late as 6/12 that you didn't know they were bad. Did you know at the time you sold those packs that they were bad?

Also, you mentioned you still had all the packs you tampered with yourself. And said you were willing to share information if people asked. Can you provide the cert# for those packs you faked and still have?

Thanks, Jose. I appreciate it.

Jim

You're not asking questions you making statements about digging in my past
prior to my extensive research and findings about this very real problem
i have uncovered in the pack industry and hopefully help stop it or at list
slow it down!,,,when you contacted me on private message i provide you
with the information that opened your eyes, but it seems you're having some
difficulty in believing,, understandable!! so i'll post proof of some of the things
i talked about, but just some since i'm still hoping for my day in court!

when it became clear to me of how large the problem is
i posted some on the CU and got banned right away (see pic)


THEN I TRIED TO EXPOSE IT ON EBAY BY MAKING
SOME DARING LISTINGS, BUT PSA HAD THEIR LAWYERS
CONTACT EBAY TO STOP IT (see pic)


THEN S.HART EMAILED ME, WE EXCHANGED A FEW EMAILS
AND IN THIS ONE I MADE IT CLEAR (see pic)



IN PACKS THAT I HAD MADE, I WROTE A NOTE INSIDE
IN ONE OF THE CARDS, DID IT A FEW TIMES IN DIFFERENT TEARS





HERE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ONE OK A KIND
OH THE SACRIFICE!!





THIS IS A VERY VERY REAL PROBLEM
THAT NEEDS TO BE TOLD FOR THE SAKE OF THE HOBBY!
MORE TOMORROW

[Ksquared]

Sorry if you feel like i'm digging into your 'past'. i'm just looking at some of the completed sales. Your screen shot of the 79 Munson pack is an example of what i'm getting at.

that cert# is 19361330. Checking the PSA cert validation tool and going backward a few numbers you can see what other packs were graded at the same time. Cert#19361327 is a 78 PSA 9 pack with Molitor/Trammell on top. Using your logic on what card should be on top, that card can be on top.

Whether it came from the factory that way and is untampered, I have no idea but at least according to your logic it can be on top. But they were graded at the same time. You sold that pack on 4/10/12 for $349.

So, you were creating those tampered packs (Munson pack) with no intention of selling them to see if they can get past PSA (your words). But, two months later (5/12 and 6/12) you were selling packs according to your own logic you knew were bad.

That was the point of my question above. Take away all the points about you helping the hobby and just answer....did you sell packs that you knew were tampered with? The timeline above suggests you did.

You may have points about what Steve/PSA did. The 'other side' may have points about your contribution to the problem. I'll probably never know enough to know 100% but it seems like you sold bad packs and knew it. For now, that's all i'm trying to figure out.

Regards
Jim

[jhs5120]

I'm sorry Jose, but you say you are an expert and you have been an expert for years (43 years I might add), but sales that took place 2-3 years ago don't count because you weren't aware of what was going on? Come on.

[Leon]

I haven't read this whole thread intricately so if it's been discussed my apology, but I received this question from a board member, for Jose.

Someone with the screen name: Josemv333 bought a 1972 Topps football Terry Bradshaw with a distinct stain on it off of eBay from seller NESC.
Pack got by Steve at PSA and pack was stabbed.
Pack was then sold by seller: Elsipep on 3/28/12 (as listed on VCP) with Bradshaw on top with that exact stain.


I thought you stated you NEVER sold a resealed pack? The buyer of the card was you, Josemv333, correct? The seller, Elsipep, is you also, correct?




.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Leon

I haven't read this whole thread intricately so if it's been discussed my apology, but I received this question from a board member, for Jose.

Someone with the screen name: Josemv333 bought a 1972 Topps football Terry Bradshaw with a distinct stain on it off of eBay from seller NESC.
Pack got by Steve at PSA and pack was stabbed.
Pack was then sold by seller: Elsipep on 3/28/12 (as listed on VCP) with Bradshaw on top with that exact stain.


I thought you stated you NEVER sold a resealed pack? The buyer of the card was you, Josemv333, correct? The seller, Elsipep, is you also, correct?




.

Can this board member provide some clear scans of the Bradshaw as it was purchased raw (with stains) and also as it is resides in the authenticated cello pack? This would provide the proof we need to put this matter to rest once and for all.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Can this board member provide some clear scans of the Bradshaw as it was purchased raw (with stains) and also as it is resides in the authenticated cello pack? This would provide the proof we need to put this matter to rest once and for all.

I don't know the answer but I am sure I will find out one way or the other. I want to see the scan of the email with the FBI agent getting an email from Jose. That is what I think was edited out.

[Bestdj777]

Deleted. Don't want to get involved.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by pepis

You're not asking questions you making statements about digging in my past
prior to my extensive research and findings about this very real problem
i have uncovered in the pack industry and hopefully help stop it or at list
slow it down!,,,when you contacted me on private message i provide you
with the information that opened your eyes, but it seems you're having some
difficulty in believing,, understandable!! so i'll post proof of some of the things
i talked about, but just some since i'm still hoping for my day in court!

when it became clear to me of how large the problem is
i posted some on the CU and got banned right away (see pic)


THEN I TRIED TO EXPOSE IT ON EBAY BY MAKING
SOME DARING LISTINGS, BUT PSA HAD THEIR LAWYERS
CONTACT EBAY TO STOP IT (see pic)


THEN S.HART EMAILED ME, WE EXCHANGED A FEW EMAILS
AND IN THIS ONE I MADE IT CLEAR (see pic)



IN PACKS THAT I HAD MADE, I WROTE A NOTE INSIDE
IN ONE OF THE CARDS, DID IT A FEW TIMES IN DIFFERENT TEARS





HERE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ONE OK A KIND
OH THE SACRIFICE!!





THIS IS A VERY VERY REAL PROBLEM
THAT NEEDS TO BE TOLD FOR THE SAKE OF THE HOBBY!
MORE TOMORROW

What was edited out of this today and why? I think I may be smelling a rat....

[pepis]

Originally Posted by Leon

What was edited out of this today and why? I think I may be smelling a rat....

No rat, it was the copy of one of the FBI emails, after thinking about it
i felt i might've been inappropriate to leave it with-out getting there permission.