Question regarding top cards on cellos -1979

[Leon]

I haven't read this whole thread intricately so if it's been discussed my apology, but I received this question from a board member, for Jose.

Someone with the screen name: Josemv333 bought a 1972 Topps football Terry Bradshaw with a distinct stain on it off of eBay from seller NESC.
Pack got by Steve at PSA and pack was stabbed.
Pack was then sold by seller: Elsipep on 3/28/12 (as listed on VCP) with Bradshaw on top with that exact stain.


I thought you stated you NEVER sold a resealed pack? The buyer of the card was you, Josemv333, correct? The seller, Elsipep, is you also, correct?




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[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Leon

I haven't read this whole thread intricately so if it's been discussed my apology, but I received this question from a board member, for Jose.

Someone with the screen name: Josemv333 bought a 1972 Topps football Terry Bradshaw with a distinct stain on it off of eBay from seller NESC.
Pack got by Steve at PSA and pack was stabbed.
Pack was then sold by seller: Elsipep on 3/28/12 (as listed on VCP) with Bradshaw on top with that exact stain.


I thought you stated you NEVER sold a resealed pack? The buyer of the card was you, Josemv333, correct? The seller, Elsipep, is you also, correct?




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Can this board member provide some clear scans of the Bradshaw as it was purchased raw (with stains) and also as it is resides in the authenticated cello pack? This would provide the proof we need to put this matter to rest once and for all.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Can this board member provide some clear scans of the Bradshaw as it was purchased raw (with stains) and also as it is resides in the authenticated cello pack? This would provide the proof we need to put this matter to rest once and for all.

I don't know the answer but I am sure I will find out one way or the other. I want to see the scan of the email with the FBI agent getting an email from Jose. That is what I think was edited out.

[Bestdj777]

Deleted. Don't want to get involved.

[jhs5120]

Okay, since Jose is not answering and we still have "doubters" I am going to put this whole thing to rest.

Here is the 1972 Topps Terry Bradshaw card in question sold through NESC. Notice the two very distinct stains on the bottom two corners.






Later a pack with a similar 1972 Bradshaw card showing was sold under the user name "elsipep" (Jose) on 3/28/12 (according to VCP). The man who purchased the pack later suspected it was resealed and subsequently sold the pack with a disclaimer (please read the item discription).



Here is a close-up of that pack. Notice the same distinct stains on the bottom left and right corners, the same off centering and the same tilt? I will let everyone reach there own conclusions on this one.




Jose, I know you said that you never sold a pack that you resealed, so I am naturally having a difficult time understanding this whole thing. Could you please explain to us what is going on here? I'm sure there is a very logical explanation. I don't want anyone to jump to any conclusions before you get your say.

[jhs5120]

Hopefully we see a reply soon...

Also, I just noticed that the pack was recently sold in the most recent Memory Lane Auction: Link

[bnorth]

All I will say is there is no way those are the same 2 cards. Yes they have a similar stain and centering but not the same card.
Edited to add I was wrong. To me the bottom left of the cards looked to have a different yellow offset compared to the black border line.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by bnorth

All I will say is there is no way those are the same 2 cards. Yes they have a similar stain and centering but not the same card.

It is the same card. I should have put in the disclaimer that the second scan (of the pack), was from a PWCC auction and the color/clarity may have been "enhanced".

[pepis]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Okay, since Jose is not answering and we still have "doubters" I am going to put this whole thing to rest.

Here is the 1972 Topps Terry Bradshaw card in question sold through NESC. Notice the two very distinct stains on the bottom two corners.






Later a pack with a similar 1972 Bradshaw card showing was sold under the user name "elsipep" (Jose) on 3/28/12 (according to VCP). The man who purchased the pack later suspected it was resealed and subsequently sold the pack with a disclaimer (please read the item discription).



Here is a close-up of that pack. Notice the same distinct stains on the bottom left and right corners, the same off centering and the same tilt? I will let everyone reach there own conclusions on this one.




Jose, I know you said that you never sold a pack that you resealed, so I am naturally having a difficult time understanding this whole thing. Could you please explain to us what is going on here? I'm sure there is a very logical explanation. I don't want anyone to jump to any conclusions before you get your say.

Yes That pack is on the list of packs a had made not only the stains,
in the back there is clear signs of being resealed on the white paint,
and it got by the expert, who ever owns it now should file for the PSA
guarantee! and i'll be glad to testify that I had it made.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by pepis

Yes That pack is on the list of packs a had made not only the stains,
in the back there is clear signs of being resealed on the white paint,
and it got by the expert, who ever owns it now should file for the PSA
guarantee! and i'll be glad to testify that I had it made.

Thank you, that is exactly what we all thought. I quoted you to prevent it from being changed.

Jason