pwcc (part two)

[Peter_Spaeth]

Bid History: Details


Bidding Details

Bidder Information
Bidder: u***r( 2057)
Feedback: 100%Positive
Item description: Item Title: 1956 Topps Mickey Mantle #135 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
Bids on this item: 18
30-Day Summary
Total bids: 342
Items bid on: 99
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 5%
Bid retractions: 5
Bid retractions (6 months): 29

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Bid History: Details


Bidding Details

Bidder Information
Bidder: u***r( 2057)
Feedback: 100%Positive
Item description: Item Title: 1956 Topps Mickey Mantle #135 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
Bids on this item: 18
30-Day Summary
Total bids: 342
Items bid on: 99
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 5%
Bid retractions: 5
Bid retractions (6 months): 29

Did you email Brent about this, or just wanted to share it with us?

[calvindog]

http://youtu.be/5uTYXlLxpZw

[Peter_Spaeth]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MVplfdNC6E

[Cardboard Junkie]

ha ha ha ha....!!!!!

[Peter_Spaeth]

The current high bidder on PWCC 52 Topps Mantle. I don't get how someone retracts 28 bids in 6 months, but perhaps someone can enlighten me.

Bid History: Details


Bidding Details

Bidder Information
Bidder: -***o ( private )
Feedback: 100% Positive
Item description: Item Title: 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle #311 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
Bids on this item: 1
30-Day Summary
Total bids: 81
Items bid on: 25
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 60% Help
Bid retractions: 0
Bid retractions (6 months): 28

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The current high bidder on PWCC 52 Topps Mantle. I don't get how someone retracts 28 bids in 6 months, but perhaps someone can enlighten me.

Bid History: Details


Bidding Details

Bidder Information
Bidder: -***o ( private )
Feedback: 100% Positive
Item description: Item Title: 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle #311 PSA 6 EXMT (PWCC)
Bids on this item: 1
30-Day Summary
Total bids: 81
Items bid on: 25
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 60% Help
Bid retractions: 0
Bid retractions (6 months): 28

I sell about 500-1000 items on ebay per month (non baseball) and get a lot of bid retractions from people who bid multiple times. They are doing it to see what the high bidder's max is, and once they go over it they retract their bid. Sometimes these bidders will bid at the end of the auction and sometimes they won't. It's not shill bidding because I own the items...I don't think we can say every time we see activity like this that it is shill bidding, there just seem to be a lot of idiots out there who bid like this. And ebay has made it easier for these idiots to do this too with the "Increase your bid" button. I have ebay connected to my iphone so I hear it when it happens.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Bid History: Details


Bidding Details

Bidder Information
Bidder: u***r( 2057)
Feedback: 100%Positive
Item description: Item Title: 1956 Topps Mickey Mantle #135 PSA 8 NM-MT (PWCC)
Bids on this item: 18
30-Day Summary
Total bids: 342
Items bid on: 99
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 5%
Bid retractions: 5
Bid retractions (6 months): 29

Peter,

Sincere question here. How do we know in this case that this bidder retracted bids on this auction or any of Brent's auction? I don't think we can be certain of that unless his bid activity with this seller was 100%. (Or it easily could be my lack of understanding on how to interpret the information)

From Brent's own post. "Anyone who retracts a bid in our auction is flagged by eBay trust and safety and their account is labeled with the improper action." - http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...75#post1196475

I'm not being an apologist here, or implying that bid retractions are acceptable. As others have pointed out, it does bring into question a seller's "integrity".

I just was questioning whether we could determine if any of the retractions (in this case) were on PWCC auctions, and thought as a lawyer, you would appreciate how Brent's remark doesn't address someone that is allowed to continue to bid with many retractions, as long as they aren't retractions on PWCC auctions.

[HRBAKER]

That is important but less so. Still unsettling that his auctions seem to attract a significant number of bidders who think that bid retractions (anywhere) are an acceptable sort of behavior IMO.

[calvindog]

Jeff, why even discuss it unless you're willing to fund a civil lawsuit to stop it? Can you give me one intelligent reason? I know this is a tough question so I'll just sit here and wait for your response for as long as it takes.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Jeff, why even discuss it unless you're willing to fund a civil lawsuit to stop it? Can you give me one intelligent reason? I know this is a tough question so I'll just sit here and wait for your response for as long as it takes.

OK, Jeff - you got me. It's the picture with his wife.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

OK, Jeff - you got me. It's the picture with his wife.

Damn, you got me. And here I thought the board was filled with mentally-deficient imbeciles.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Damn, you got me. And here I thought the board was filled with mentally-deficient imbeciles.

You know the real reason, I might want to consign some day.