Opinion on Mantle Inscription

[Michael Frost]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

yes very weird. the photo in the COA is totally different than the photo shown.

These are 2 different images, the COA Letter is for the photograph that is shown on the letter and the other just the sticker and number is shown. the both of the images shown have been examined and authenticatted by both Grad and Spence as ( Shelly said I guess before they know what they were doing)? Both can be looked up on the PSA/DNA database and there are more but that is not what this is all about.
If you are interested or would like to see some additional photographs please contact me at www.paasaa.com
Thanks
Mike Frost

[chaddurbin]

gotcha, my bad...the consensus is they're both bad and were certed by psa/dna.

[shelly]

My bet was that the item that had your cert was bad. You then produce a Psa cert that made people belive it was authentic. I bet you it was not. Now you are saying I am correct. Not only that you knew they where bad all the time.
Please explain why you then sold the item under your cert with the psa wording. Or is this another forged cert.
You work for the government under cover. You have said in the same thread that Chris is great and Chris is terrible. You say you work for Topps .You say you are know the world around as great authenticator. The only thing you will be remembered for on this site is that you are the Walter Middy of 54
You owe the money. The bet was clear. In fact three people agreed that they where forgerys and you said nothing untill you knew you lost.
Just so everyone knows I sent it for quick opinon and here is what they said.


Response: "Likely Not Genuine"

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Thank you choosing the QuickOpinion service!

I feel bad that there are people like you that will always spin the arguement to try and make themselevs look good. You should go back to your friends at Autograph Planet. Oh I am sorry I forgot they threw you out of there.


Just to make another point. You want to bet how many people would trust me saying if a Mantle is authentic or not vs. you on this site?

[thetruthisoutthere]

There are a ton of autograph collectors on Net54,.

I wonder how many of them use P.A.A.S. to authenticate their autographs?

[Michael Frost]

[QUOTE=shelly;1198853]My bet was that the item that had your cert was bad. You then produce a Psa cert that made people belive it was authentic. I bet you it was not. Now you are saying I am correct. Not only that you knew they where bad all the time.
Please explain why you then sold the item under your cert with the psa wording. Or is this another forged cert.
You work for the government under cover. You have said in the same thread that Chris is great and Chris is terrible. You say you work for Topps .You say you are know the world around as great authenticator. The only thing you will be remembered for on this site is that you are the Walter Middy of 54
You owe the money. The bet was clear. In fact three people agreed that they where forgerys and you said nothing untill you knew you lost.

Shelly, as most know you are a pathological liar.. From top to bottom of this discussion. I am sorry I believe you have no idea you are even lying, changing statements, adding words and just being the typical con man you are credited with being.
I know both you and Chris do not want me on Net 54 because, you both have convinced some that you know what you are saying. I never would have certed those photographs and never said they were authentic. Just was playing the game as Westsiders said "Way to reel them in...hook, line, and sinker "
Were did I sell that item in question? Where is that Cert with the psa wording from? Were did I say I worked under cover? When was I ever on Autograph Planet? When did they threw me off?
In one paragraph alone there is 5 lies out of your mouth.
You also said "You have authenticated more bad Mantles outside of the Donald and Morales, Where are all these bad certed Mantles? I can show you 100's of bad certed Mantles from the top autograph authenticators in the world and yet you lie and have the nerve to make this statement. You also said I sell Hot Dogs at Kiosc. Once again you are lying.
It is very embarrassing that I am even in a discussion with you, but I thought it was time you were put back in you place. Stop all your lies and pipe dreams and go back to removing the Jose Canseco cards out of the wax packs.

[shelly]

Mike youare a sick man. Go back to Todd he will hold your hand and tell you everying is good.
Oh by the way.I was gonna let this go, but how about an answer on this one too. You said Collectibles of the stars didn’t have LOAs in 1997 and that the 1997 LOA for the Mantle posted by Chris was a forgery. So, how about this 1997 Cheetah the Chimp LOA from Collectibles of the Stars? Is this a forgery ? Its dated 1997. And you say the Cheetah signing was some joke but did you know the Chimp wasn’t Cheetah and was never in a Tarzan movie and that anyone who bought your Cheetah signed photos got ripped off with the signature of some unknown chimp? The real Cheetah was dead for years, read the Washington Post. Help us on this one. Those are your signatures on the LOA, or are those forgeries too? You’re so well respected people are forging your name as much as Mantle I guess.
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By the way is that your signiture on top or was that forged as well. Hold on a second. It was the CIA at the door telling me to stop.

[ss]

Has anyone ever seen worse spelling than that of Shelly and Mike? Cheetah the Chimp spells better.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by ss

Has anyone ever seen worse spelling than that of Shelly and Mike? Cheetah the Chimp spells better.

Are you aware of the fact that Shelly has an affliction called dyslexia?

So tell us, what does your comment have anything to do with this thread?

Also, I didn't see you post anything constructive here, Steve; just like Westsiders with his "hook, line and sinker" comment.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by ss

Has anyone ever seen worse spelling than that of Shelly and Mike? Cheetah the Chimp spells better.

Being compared to a Chimp is so disgusting. I have no idea who you are but I will say that your comments do not belong here or anywhere else. I have never said this before but you should be suspended.

[Michael Frost]

Originally Posted by ss

Has anyone ever seen worse spelling than that of Shelly and Mike? Cheetah the Chimp spells better.

This does not really look like the spelling or grammar of a rocket scientist
ss
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I think it's good. Looks like 1970s style signature. Is very close to 2 that I have, one of which was signed in-person in mid-70's. Am curious what you guys don't like about it?

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by shelly

Mike youare a sick man. Go back to Todd he will hold your hand and tell you everying is good.
Oh by the way.I was gonna let this go, but how about an answer on this one too. You said Collectibles of the stars didn’t have LOAs in 1997 and that the 1997 LOA for the Mantle posted by Chris was a forgery. So, how about this 1997 Cheetah the Chimp LOA from Collectibles of the Stars? Is this a forgery ? Its dated 1997. And you say the Cheetah signing was some joke but did you know the Chimp wasn’t Cheetah and was never in a Tarzan movie and that anyone who bought your Cheetah signed photos got ripped off with the signature of some unknown chimp? The real Cheetah was dead for years, read the Washington Post. Help us on this one. Those are your signatures on the LOA, or are those forgeries too? You’re so well respected people are forging your name as much as Mantle I guess.
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By the way is that your signiture on top or was that forged as well. Hold on a second. It was the CIA at the door telling me to stop.

Let's take a quick look at the Wiki page for Cheeta, which contains a large list of all the different chimps associated with the Character.

From looking through the list, I would assume THIS is the one who was used for that signing.

"Cheetah-Mike (also known as Org), a male chimpanzee owned by Suncoast Primate Sanctuary after being donated from Noell's Chimp Farm in Palm Harbor, FL. Alleged to have been born about 1931 (claimed age in February 2008 was 77), to have been acquired from the estate of Johnny Weissmuller in 1957, and to have been "one of the original 'Cheetahs' from Johnny Weissmuller's Tarzan movies." It has been speculated that this chimp, if he indeed has any connection to Weissmuller, may actually have come from a Florida tourist attraction the actor once launched that included chimps, rather than having appeared in any of his Tarzan films. According to journalist Andrew Woods, this Cheeta was also known as Org. Died in Palm Harbor, Florida, of kidney failure on December 24, 2011."

[Michael Frost]

Originally Posted by novakjr

Let's take a quick look at the Wiki page for Cheeta, which contains a large list of all the different chimps associated with the Character.

From looking through the list, I would assume THIS is the one who was used for that signing.

"Cheetah-Mike (also known as Org), a male chimpanzee owned by Suncoast Primate Sanctuary after being donated from Noell's Chimp Farm in Palm Harbor, FL. Alleged to have been born about 1931 (claimed age in February 2008 was 77), to have been acquired from the estate of Johnny Weissmuller in 1957, and to have been "one of the original 'Cheetahs' from Johnny Weissmuller's Tarzan movies." It has been speculated that this chimp, if he indeed has any connection to Weissmuller, may actually have come from a Florida tourist attraction the actor once launched that included chimps, rather than having appeared in any of his Tarzan films. According to journalist Andrew Woods, this Cheeta was also known as Org. Died in Palm Harbor, Florida, of kidney failure on December 24, 2011."

No I am sorry that is a different Chimpanzee. The Cheeta that my partner Michael Wehrmann had the private signing with belong to Dan Westfall who also signed the COA. The Cheeta that hand signed the autographed photographs was living in Palm Springs, Calif and not in Palm Harbor Florida. The Chimp that signed the COA and the photos was Jiggs IV.

Cheeta/Jiggs IV as a Celebrity
In 1991, whatever the truth of his origins and prior life, Cheeta/Jiggs IV was given by Gentry to his distant cousin Don Westfall, the current caretaker. Gentry died two years later. In Westfall's care, Cheeta lived at a primate sanctuary called Creative Habitats and Enrichment for Endangered and Threatened Apes (or CHEETA) in Palm Springs, California, where he reportedly watched television, made abstract paintings which were sold to benefit primate-related charities, and often watched "his" old films with his grandson, Jeeter. He also leafed through books and "played" the piano.[39][40]

His birthdays, calculated from the date of his supposed 1932 arrival in the United States, were regularly celebrated. In 2006, coinciding with his "74th" birthday, Cheeta received an award for his supposed film career from the International Film Festival of Peniscola Comedy. Later that year, the 4 October 2006, edition of the Palm Springs newspaper, The Desert Sun, reported that he had received his first-ever visit from famed primatologist Jane Goodall the previous day. His "75th" birthday was covered by National Geographic.[39][40] His "76th" birthday was celebrated on 9 April 2008, at his "Casa de Cheeta" in Palm Springs at an event hosted by Dan Westfall and Diane Weissmuller, (Johnny Weissmuller, Jr.'s widow). The press and many Palm Springs celebrities attended.

On the basis of his apparently fictitious history, Cheeta was cited by the Guinness Book of World Records as the world's oldest non-human primate.[39]

A literary agent was hired on his behalf for his ghost-written autobiography, Me Cheeta, published in the U.K. in October 2008.[38] The American edition was published on March 3, 2009.

Here's an update to Cheeta's unusual story. Several years ago, Dan started working with a writer on Cheeta's biography. Dan wanted someone to tell the story of Cheeta's life as the world's oldest chimpanzee and as one of the original chimpanzees appearing in the old Tarzan movies. By December 2007, the writer's research had unexpectedly revealed that our Cheeta is unlikely to be as old as we'd thought, although he is clearly old. It is also difficult to determine which movies, if any, our Cheeta may have been in.
It appears that the facts of our Cheeta's past will almost certainly remain a Hollywood mystery.