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10-22-2013, 06:04 PM
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So Spiral Stairs, what is your favorite song from Wowee Zowee?
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10-22-2013, 06:06 PM
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I also usually do not save stuff because much of it is so bad, but this
i had to save. when i was doing the hbo sports show I showed them a lot of bad mantles like this one. this comes from someone who did prvt signings and claimed to be a close friend of Mantle. bmmm2.jpg bmmm1.jpg
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10-22-2013, 06:36 PM
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[QUOTE=shelly;1198142]I also usually do not save stuff because much of it is so bad, but this
i had to save. when i was doing the hbo sports show I showed them a lot of bad mantles like this one. this comes from someone who did prvt signings and claimed to be a close friend of Mantle. Shelly, you are a true joke as well as most of what you have to say. Can you 1st explain to our audience the issues with the autograph that you have just posted.
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I have tried to avoid being involved in this thread but I do have to state that Shelly's opinion is held in high regard on this forum.
His accuracy is probably 90% or better on autographs he comments on.
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10-22-2013, 07:07 PM
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That Mantle is awful.
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10-22-2013, 07:09 PM
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Both are great records. Love the name man!
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I do not like the fact that people are getting into personal attacks for stating their opinions.
I am also not getting into what appears to be childish name calling on this forum. That being said, if I was presented with the photo and someone asked me what I thought, I would tell them I do not like the mantle, AND I do not like the Martin. If I am asked "why" I will reply that I am not photo shop user. There used to be someone on these forums that would draw great charts showing incorrect formations and slants. I do not get scientific. As all of you know, I rarely comment on signatures and when I do it is only with an athlete whom I have personally seen thousands of autographs from by way of a contract I had with them. That being said, I do not believe Mickey Mantle or Billy Martin ever held that photograph or put a pen to it. Last edited by kengoldin; 10-22-2013 at 10:49 PM. Reason: typo
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10-22-2013, 08:31 PM
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I am not sure about the bet and have just a couple of question about this item in question. 1st- are you saying that this item came from me? 2nd- Was this item examined and authenticated by me? 3rd - Are you stating that is my Letter of Authenticity and my signature? 4th - What is the size of the photograph in question? 5th- Are you saying the Mickey Mantle and the Billy Martin on the photo are both forgeries? 6th - Are you stating that JSA and or PSA/DNA would be the deciding factor in the authentication. 7th - Who would you say would be more knowledgeable on this subject Jimmy Spence or Steve Grad.
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The 2 guys talking about records need to quit. Other than that hopefully everyone will continue to remain professional in the debates. Interesting stuff...
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By the way do you feel that the same person or people that signed the Mickey Mantle / Billy Martin photo you posted also signed this these ones or are these ones authentic? Last edited by Michael Frost; 10-25-2013 at 06:19 PM.
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10-23-2013, 05:06 PM
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Michael, I was wondering, in what capacity were you "Employed by the US Government?"
http://www.paasautographs.com/credentials.html Last edited by thetruthisoutthere; 10-23-2013 at 05:25 PM.
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10-23-2013, 05:08 PM
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Yes, that Tim. TimFitzBook.jpg Last edited by thetruthisoutthere; 10-23-2013 at 05:20 PM.
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10-23-2013, 05:36 PM
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Thank you, Michael Frost P.A.A.S. Last edited by Michael Frost; 10-25-2013 at 06:21 PM.
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10-23-2013, 05:37 PM
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10-23-2013, 06:20 PM
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I stand by previous comments that both Mantle/Martin autograph pieces are not authentic.
If both pieces were submitted to PSA today, I believe they would be rejected.
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10-23-2013, 08:24 PM
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Do you have a 1099 you can show us? Last edited by thetruthisoutthere; 10-24-2013 at 04:44 AM.
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10-24-2013, 08:21 AM
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[QUOTE=thetruthisoutthere;1198495]Michael, last Christmas a friend of mine in Arizona sent me a copy of the book "Operation Bullpen" and wrote the below note in the book.
Yes, that Tim. I guess then you must be an autograph expert? Just wondering if you also received the secret decoder ring? I have be asked many times and it has been requested that I do not discredit you. As you know the criminals and frauds in the industry strive on dueling authenticators or experts. That is one reason I have been asked not to make a fool of you, but since you have stowed that honor upon yourself I have just answered a few of your questions. I honestly do not have the time nor should I be involved in blogging, youtube, facebook, or your daily horseplay. Since you are so knowledgeable, and have been professionally sharing your educational and scientific answers to the collectors and the members of the autograph industry for the past few years. I would love to see your analysis of these Mickey Mantle autographs.? In honor of the Holiday season. Last edited by Michael Frost; 10-25-2013 at 06:22 PM.
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10-24-2013, 11:26 AM
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Michael. Again, I'm no expert here, but I wouldn't buy either of those Mantle balls.. I'm a little unsure though... I wouldn't feel comfortable labeling them good or bad, based on my limited knowledge. But I have enough questions about it, that I wouldn't buy it..
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Sorry, I not get back to you and your thousand dollar request. My bet was not that it was authenticated in in 2002 when authenticators like you had no idea what they where doing. My bet is that it be sent now.
The bet stands. Since you dont have the original the only way we can do that to be fair to both of us is send it out for quick opinion. If that is good then I will proceed with sending the money to Leon. I am sure that you will win but I like to give money away  If you dont take the bet then it really is time for you to just shut up. By the way the forgers dont care who fights they only care if they can get there garbage authenticated. If you belive that piece of garbage of yours I put up there is authentic, you should retire. If anyone else wants to bet that it is an authentic piece please state how much you would like to bet. Mike has said only ten percent of you trust my opinion. Oh and Mike you can make it up to as much as you want. Last edited by shelly; 10-24-2013 at 12:08 PM.
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I stand by my original comment on the photo. Having had both players under contract, having seen thousands of each of their signatures that I KNOW are good, My opinion (and I use the word opinion only because I have to, but to me its a fact) is on that particular photo, the one that I commented on (the only one I commented on) was never held or signed by EITHER Mantle or Martin.
I will not reply to additional 'what do you think of this' posted in this thread. I just wanted to point out that despite posts above, I stand by what I said, and I am highly confident that in 2013 if presented to PSA/DNA it would not pass their authentication.
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I never said that it was authentic and I do not believe any of them are authentic. Yet you can clearly see that they are authenticated by both Spence and Grad and they were sold by major auction houses. I guess you do not want to send your money to the St. Jude's Hospital. Now you want a PSA quick opinion for something they have already be warned about (LOL) You can say what ever you wish and play what ever games you plan on playing but unfortunately you seemed to have lost that bet and may soon have to admit that I am one of the only true autograph examiners and authenticators that have any credentials and credibility.
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If you are interested or would like to see some additional photographs please contact me at www.paasaa.com Thanks Mike Frost Last edited by Michael Frost; 10-24-2013 at 03:58 PM.
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gotcha, my bad...the consensus is they're both bad and were certed by psa/dna.
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10-24-2013, 04:43 PM
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My bet was that the item that had your cert was bad. You then produce a Psa cert that made people belive it was authentic. I bet you it was not. Now you are saying I am correct. Not only that you knew they where bad all the time.
Please explain why you then sold the item under your cert with the psa wording. Or is this another forged cert. You work for the government under cover. You have said in the same thread that Chris is great and Chris is terrible. You say you work for Topps .You say you are know the world around as great authenticator. The only thing you will be remembered for on this site is that you are the Walter Middy of 54 You owe the money. The bet was clear. In fact three people agreed that they where forgerys and you said nothing untill you knew you lost. Just so everyone knows I sent it for quick opinon and here is what they said. Response: "Likely Not Genuine" Here are the details of your Request: Comments: Request ID: 100437 Request By: 10/25/2013 Thank you choosing the QuickOpinion service! I feel bad that there are people like you that will always spin the arguement to try and make themselevs look good. You should go back to your friends at Autograph Planet. Oh I am sorry I forgot they threw you out of there.  Just to make another point. You want to bet how many people would trust me saying if a Mantle is authentic or not vs. you on this site? Last edited by shelly; 10-24-2013 at 05:00 PM.
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There are a ton of autograph collectors on Net54,.
I wonder how many of them use P.A.A.S. to authenticate their autographs?
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[QUOTE=shelly;1198853]My bet was that the item that had your cert was bad. You then produce a Psa cert that made people belive it was authentic. I bet you it was not. Now you are saying I am correct. Not only that you knew they where bad all the time.
Please explain why you then sold the item under your cert with the psa wording. Or is this another forged cert. You work for the government under cover. You have said in the same thread that Chris is great and Chris is terrible. You say you work for Topps .You say you are know the world around as great authenticator. The only thing you will be remembered for on this site is that you are the Walter Middy of 54 You owe the money. The bet was clear. In fact three people agreed that they where forgerys and you said nothing untill you knew you lost. Shelly, as most know you are a pathological liar.. From top to bottom of this discussion. I am sorry I believe you have no idea you are even lying, changing statements, adding words and just being the typical con man you are credited with being. I know both you and Chris do not want me on Net 54 because, you both have convinced some that you know what you are saying. I never would have certed those photographs and never said they were authentic. Just was playing the game as Westsiders said "Way to reel them in...hook, line, and sinker " Were did I sell that item in question? Where is that Cert with the psa wording from? Were did I say I worked under cover? When was I ever on Autograph Planet? When did they threw me off? In one paragraph alone there is 5 lies out of your mouth. You also said "You have authenticated more bad Mantles outside of the Donald and Morales, Where are all these bad certed Mantles? I can show you 100's of bad certed Mantles from the top autograph authenticators in the world and yet you lie and have the nerve to make this statement. You also said I sell Hot Dogs at Kiosc. Once again you are lying. It is very embarrassing that I am even in a discussion with you, but I thought it was time you were put back in you place. Stop all your lies and pipe dreams and go back to removing the Jose Canseco cards out of the wax packs.
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Mike youare a sick man. Go back to Todd he will hold your hand and tell you everying is good.
Oh by the way.I was gonna let this go, but how about an answer on this one too. You said Collectibles of the stars didn’t have LOAs in 1997 and that the 1997 LOA for the Mantle posted by Chris was a forgery. So, how about this 1997 Cheetah the Chimp LOA from Collectibles of the Stars? Is this a forgery ? Its dated 1997. And you say the Cheetah signing was some joke but did you know the Chimp wasn’t Cheetah and was never in a Tarzan movie and that anyone who bought your Cheetah signed photos got ripped off with the signature of some unknown chimp? The real Cheetah was dead for years, read the Washington Post. Help us on this one. Those are your signatures on the LOA, or are those forgeries too? You’re so well respected people are forging your name as much as Mantle I guess. chimp.jpg By the way is that your signiture on top or was that forged as well. Hold on a second. It was the CIA at the door telling me to stop.
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So tell us, what does your comment have anything to do with this thread? Also, I didn't see you post anything constructive here, Steve; just like Westsiders with his "hook, line and sinker" comment. Last edited by thetruthisoutthere; 10-24-2013 at 08:01 PM.
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Steve, just to let you know it is called Shelleez that has now been accepted on this site for a long time. I see things backwards and spell things the way I think they should be. I also think that I said what I wanted but the words are missing. Spell check does not help. Like Chris said do you have any thing to add expcept being insulting. Hope this never happens to anyone in your faimly.
The one thing I do know because of this. Bad autographs. How about you?
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This does not really look like the spelling or grammar of a rocket scientist ss Steve S. St.eve S@lem Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Baltimore I think it's good. Looks like 1970s style signature. Is very close to 2 that I have, one of which was signed in-person in mid-70's. Am curious what you guys don't like about it?
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Steve, that was really uncalled for and added zero to this thread.
If comments are going to be made by members on this thread, at least let them be relevant to the topic. It has long been known by most here that Shelly has dyslexia. Let us try to keep the posts here relevant to the topics at hand.
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And Mike, please don't misinterpret my comment as being in any way, shape, or form in support of your position. Your touting of PAAS is laughable....and your latest personal attacks against Shelly are gross. It would be the equivalent of people attacking your personal appearance in the photos that you've posted. Such comments just don't belong here. Best of luck. Sco.tt Rom.ero Last edited by Leon; 10-24-2013 at 10:07 PM. Reason: added name per rules
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