Opinion on Mantle Inscription

novakjr · #1 10-22-2013, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Frost

This was a actual private signing done by may partner Michael Wehrmann. I have never seen one authenticated by a 3rd party authentication company before. I do not understand how one can examine nor authenticate this signature without a library of exemplars. I would have to presume that this signature was authenticated based upon the credentials of Michael Wehrmann's name and reputation.
Each signed photograph was signed and numbered and was sold with a matching numbered certificate with the signature of the owner and the chimp. This private signing initially started out as a joke but it was very successful and did sell out. I believe the asking price in 1997 was $15.00 each and I am glad to see such a big increase. It would be something to start seeing forged Cheetah autographs in the market.

Thank You Michael... I know we all discussed it, mostly due to the 3rd party authentication, but I was still a little curious about the item in general.. So thank you for that response.

kengoldin · #2 10-22-2013, 03:56 PM

I figured I would help the group out and add a unique , authentic, inscription from Mickey Mantle to the exemplar pile.
This is November 1991, as it was waiting for me at my office when I came back from my honeymoon (1st wife. wedding 10/19/91). He didn't give my marriage long I guess....lasted 13 years

novakjr · #3 10-22-2013, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kengoldin

I figured I would help the group out and add a unique , authentic, inscription from Mickey Mantle to the exemplar pile.
This is November 1991, as it was waiting for me at my office when I came back from my honeymoon (1st wife. wedding 10/19/91). He didn't give my marriage long I guess....lasted 13 years

I'm curious about those stray dot's in the signature, Ken. Are his M's supposed to look like boobs when you turn the sig upside down?

kengoldin · #4 10-22-2013, 04:50 PM

[QUOTE=novakjr;1198065]I'm curious about those stray dot's in the signature, Ken. Are his M's supposed to look like boobs when you turn the sig upside down?[/QUOTE]

LOL!
maybe on that one, if so, it was a joke I didn't get till 22 years later

shelly · #5 10-22-2013, 04:57 PM

Really Mike, who had the first West Coast show with Mantle. I did two others with him as well in Vegas. You have authenticated more bad Mantles outside of the Donald and Morales and I don't keep examples of your crap. So stick the fifty cents where it belongs. I would be willing to bet that my opinion Mantle whould be much trusted on this site than yours hands down.
By the way you still selling hot dogs at Kiosc?

Michael Frost · #6 10-22-2013, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shelly

Really Mike, who had the first West Coast show with Mantle. I did two others with him as well in Vegas. You have authenticated more bad Mantles outside of the Donald and Morales and I don't keep examples of your crap. So stick the fifty cents where it belongs.
By the way you still selling hot dogs at Kiosc?

There are no examples just like the selling of Hot Dogs. 90% of what comes out of you mouth is a lie and the other 10% is questionable. You are not really the person that should be debating or even involved in any Mickey Mantle discussions. You are a small part of the reason that his autograph is worth about 25% of what it should be worth. You are also a reason that some authentication companies are using forgeries as their exemplars for authenticating Mickey's autographs. Your role even as a middleman and forger was also highly exaggerated and self promoted by youself. It would be best to go back to what you know best Strawberry and Mattingly Rookie cards.

shelly · #7 10-22-2013, 05:28 PM

Wow. Mike tell me something new. You forgot to mention it was authenticators like you that allowed us to sell that garbage.

HOFAUTOS · #8 10-22-2013, 05:46 PM

[QUOTE=kengoldin;1198069]

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Originally Posted by novakjr

I'm curious about those stray dot's in the signature, Ken. Are his M's supposed to look like boobs when you turn the sig upside down?[/QUOTE]

LOL!
maybe on that one, if so, it was a joke I didn't get till 22 years later

I thought they were tears lol

thetruthisoutthere · #9 10-22-2013, 05:58 PM

Michael, it seems to me that every time I post a Mantle forgery with one of your COAs, you claim (like Mueller and Frangipani) that your COAs have been altered, modified, etc.

So what you're saying is that because your COAs (Collectables Of The Stars & PAAS) are so well-respected, that sellers are using them to sell their forgeries?

Michael Frost · #10 10-22-2013, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Michael, it seems to me that every time I post a Mantle forgery with one of your COAs, you claim (like Mueller and Frangipani) that your COAs have been altered, modified, etc.

So what you're saying is that because your COAs (Collectables Of The Stars & PAAS) are so well-respected, that sellers are using them to sell their forgeries?

That seems to be the case, but do not make sound like it is everytime.
You have posted a hand full of stuff that has been around and discussed years ago. I have examined and authenticated over 400+ Mickey Mantle items it the past 3 years. where are all these fakes that you keep refering to? Look up PSA/DNA, JSA. GA, and maybe you may find some, but it would be rare to find a questionable P.A.A.S. authenticated Mickey Mantle item.
My certs and name has been used for years as an attempt by forgeries for credibility. As I said in the early post the jealousy in this industry is unmatched. My credentials will always speak for themselves, I have been attacked and lied about for years but unlike Spence, Grad, and Sipe whom I say nothing negative about, I am available to speak out, educate and correct the errors that so called "want to be experts" threw against the walls.
I have little time for the foolishness that you and Shelly are involved with.
I also feel you may be a key reason that some of the largest forgery groups in the industry are still in business. You are not taken seriously and you say many things out of your hat without proof and documentation.
Good Luck blogging.

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