Question regarding top cards on cellos -1979

[pepis]

Originally Posted by 1all

I can't really see the internal tear in picture 2 but Picture 3 looks pretty darn conclusive of a reseal. It looks to be nearly impossible to reseal a late 70s cello without disturbing the white section.

Yup, in 70s cellos the bottom flap is were the white section (paint) normally is and that's the thinest side of the pack, and the clear top flap is normally the thickest side of the pack and that is because the piece of gum is almost always in that side, so when the heat roller or sealer was applied to the back side of the pack it sealed better or stronger on the thicker side and it got weaker as it went through and got to the thiner side,,,,that's why counterfeiters almost always open the bottom flap, the seal is weaker or easier to open than the upper flap, because the seal is so strong in that upper side it almost always rips or tears the cellophane and that ruins the pack, but disturbing the white paint is no big deal, they figure most young naive collectors won't pay attention to detail.


Arthur, those corners do look funky! you can figure out why, now.

[brob28]

Jose, just wondering if one of the area's you are focusing in on in scan three is the numbers 54 in the code. They look to be partially missing. I'm not real familiar with the cellos so just trying to test my eye for this type of fraud. Thanks for all the great information.

[pepis]

Originally Posted by brob28

Jose, just wondering if one of the area's you are focusing in on in scan three is the numbers 54 in the code. They look to be partially missing. I'm not real familiar with the cellos so just trying to test my eye for this type of fraud. Thanks for all the great information.

Pretty much Bill,
if you look closely the zero next to the 54 is missing a piece and a chunk of the white
is missing, and if you compare the entire white section with my first picture
i posted how clean the white part is makes it so obvious.

[1all]

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[mintacular]

Thanks for all the information, guys. This is why I almost never buy "unopened" product. I trusted the LCS owner as he is very knowledgeable and has been a good guy to me, chances are he is unaware that this pack was resealed. Now I'm in the conundrum of what to do...I did not pay all that much for the pack, part of me thinks I should just rip it and lose a couple 20's and chalk it up as a lesson learned. The other part of me thinks I should let the LCS owner know what others think but I don't want him to ostracize me etc. as I too should have done the research to know that the pack was resealed, plus he might want to know how I know it is and if site internet sites, etc. he might think those people don't know what they are talking about, etc...

[brob28]

Originally Posted by mintacular

Thanks for all the information, guys. This is why I almost never buy "unopened" product. I trusted the LCS owner as he is very knowledgeable and has been a good guy to me, chances are he is unaware that this pack was resealed. Now I'm in the conundrum of what to do...I did not pay all that much for the pack, part of me thinks I should just rip it and lose a couple 20's and chalk it up as a lesson learned. The other part of me thinks I should let the LCS owner know what others think but I don't want him to ostracize me etc. as I too should have done the research to know that the pack was resealed, plus he might want to know how I know it is and if site internet sites, etc. he might think those people don't know what they are talking about, etc...

Patrick, I recommend at least talking to the seller about it. You learn quite a bit more about people when discussing unpleasant topics than you will when everything's sunshine & rainbows! Stay courteous and just see what the seller says. If he's a good guy he'll at least engage in a reasonable discussion about it. If he tells you to take a hike or gets enraged, you may have learned something about him more valuable than the cost of the cello. JMHO.